Re: New Puzzle Palace? Re: CAQ - Secret ...

At 1:08 PM 1/15/96, s1018954@aix2.uottawa.ca wrote:
>On Sun, 14 Jan 1996, James M. Cobb wrote:
>
>>           James Bamford
>>           The Puzzle Palace (with a new Afterword)
>>           Penguin Books
>>           1983
>
>Schneier's new bibliography mentions a second edition of the book published
>in 1995. Is this really a substantively new edition with more material or is
>it just being repackaged with a new Afterword? I'm just wondering whether
>it is worth buying to someone who has the original.

The new edition is supposed to be a substantial rewrite, updating the book
to include a lot of the recent stuff on the NSA. Don't quote me, but I
think Bamford has a co-author, though I've forgotten who it is.

I paid the princely sum of $16.95 in 1982--expensive for a book back
then--for "The Puzzle Palace," and read it cover-to-cover (well, I guess I
skimmed the footnotes). Even before I got into crypto in a big way, I knew
this stuff was important to me.

I certainly plan to buy the Second Edition.

--Tim May




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Schneier has done a major rewrite, or at least included *lots* of new
info.  I haven't gotten a copy yet, but I saw one, and it was twice as
thick as the first version.

Now I just need the money to buy the book...

-James

On Mon, 15 Jan 1996 grimm@MIT.EDU wrote:

> Schneier has done a major rewrite, or at least included *lots* of new
> info.  I haven't gotten a copy yet, but I saw one, and it was twice as
> thick as the first version.
> 
Huh? Oh you mean Applied Crypto 2. I was asking about Puzzle Palace 2 by 
Bamford, which I saw listed in AC2's bibliography. Can't seem to find it.
I was just wondering if it's worth ordering. (Maybe I wasn't clear in my 
last msg.) 

Btw, anyone know what else Bamford's been doing since he wrote Puzzle Palace 1,
in '82? Any other books, articles? He's a Washington lawyer, right? I 
hear the new edition has a collaborating author; anything on him? Curious.

TIA.

Friend, 
 
 
  I believe the co-author is Wayne Madsen, who's written: 
 
          Handbook of Personal Data Protection 
 
          Stockton Press (an imprint of Groves Dictionaries, 
            which is in turn a division of Macmillan Publica- 
            tions, Ltd) 
 
          1992 
 
          1026 pages 
 
          US $170 
 
          ISBN 1 56157 046 0 
 
          1 800 221 2123. 
 
 
  Please see Jyri Kaljundi's message below.  Madsen is interviewed 
  in Web Review's series on NSA's subversion of the private sector, 
  here at home as well as abroad. 
 
 
  Cordially, 
 
  Jim 
 
 
 
  INCLOSURE 1: 
 
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 18:27:59 +0200 (EET)
From: Jyri Kaljundi <jk@digit.ee>
To: cypherpunks@toad.com
Subject: GNN on Crypto


Global Network Navigator Web Review (http://gnn.com/wr/) has their main 
story this week on crypto. The articles are:

Spymaster meets webmaster:NSA's Fortezza: stronger encryption or Internet 
spy strategy
http://gnn.com/gnn/wr/96/01/12/features/nsa/index.html

The Seduction of Crypto AG: How the NSA held the keys to a top-selling 
encryption machine
http://gnn.com/gnn/wr/96/01/12/features/nsa/crypto.html

Familiar faces, familiar places: Look who's working to implement Fortezza 
in 

the US and Europe 
http://gnn.com/gnn/wr/96/01/12/features/nsa/triteal.html

What's that smell: Is the NSA sniffing your email?
[http://gnn.com/gnn/wr/96/01/12/features/nsa/sniff.html

A back door for the NSA: Balancing the need for intelligence with privacy
http://gnn.com/gnn/wr/96/01/12/features/nsa/conclude.html

Juri Kaljundi
jk@digit.ee
Digiturg http://www.digit.ee/
 
 
  INCLOSURE 2: 
 
 
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:21:44 -0500 (EST)
From: s1018954@aix2.uottawa.ca
To: grimm@MIT.EDU
Cc: cypherpunks@toad.com
Subject: Re: New Puzzle Palace? 



On Mon, 15 Jan 1996 grimm@MIT.EDU wrote:

> Schneier has done a major rewrite, or at least included *lots* of new
> info.  I haven't gotten a copy yet, but I saw one, and it was twice as
> thick as the first version.
> 
Huh? Oh you mean Applied Crypto 2. I was asking about Puzzle Palace 2 by 
Bamford, which I saw listed in AC2's bibliography. Can't seem to find it.
I was just wondering if it's worth ordering. (Maybe I wasn't clear in my 
last msg.) 

Btw, anyone know what else Bamford's been doing since he wrote Puzzle Palace 1,
in '82? Any other books, articles? He's a Washington lawyer, right? I 
hear the new edition has a collaborating author; anything on him? Curious.

TIA.

grimm@MIT.EDU writes:
> Schneier has done a major rewrite, or at least included *lots* of new
> info.  I haven't gotten a copy yet, but I saw one, and it was twice as
> thick as the first version.
>
> Now I just need the money to buy the book...

I think I paid $40 for the first edition.  I wish I could trade it in
for a discount. :-)

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