PZ a Nazi?

Original dated: Jan 21 '96, 09:26

The UK's Sunday Telegraph has today featured an article by Robin
Gedye entitled "Neo-Nazis are marching on the Internet" in which
apart the the usual nonsense about neo-Nazis being about to take
over the world by means of their "Thule Net" accuses the deviser
of PGP of being a Nazi sympathiser:

"Private communications between neo-Nazis on the network are
effected under a program called "Pretty Good Privacy", devised by
an American neo-Nazi sympathiser."

  Robin Gedye (in Bonn) p.23 of "The Sunday Telegraph" January 21,
  1996

>"Private communications between neo-Nazis on the network are
>effected under a program called "Pretty Good Privacy", devised by
>an American neo-Nazi sympathiser."

Not to my knowledge. If the Sunday Times have screwed up here (as appears the 
case). PZ has hit the UK libel jackpot. The UK libel laws prevent a defendant 
from making practically any defense so even if PZ spent his afternoons walking 
arroung in an SS uniform it probably could not be admitted as evidence by the 
ST.

So get your lawyers to put in a demand for damages PZ, should net you approx $5K 
plus appology. The Telegraph are unlikely to want to try to defend the case.

	Phill

On Mon, 22 Jan 1996, Anonymous User wrote:

> Original dated: Jan 21 '96, 09:26
> 
	[snip]

> "Private communications between neo-Nazis on the network are
> effected under a program called "Pretty Good Privacy", devised by
> an American neo-Nazi sympathiser."
> 
>   Robin Gedye (in Bonn) p.23 of "The Sunday Telegraph" January 21,
>   1996
> 
    reply from attila:

	I would say we have two clueless mud slingers amongst us.

    1.	Robin Gedye (in Bonn) for ET who is not only clueless, but
	totally without journalistic ethicss in the of the muckraker
	and yellow journalism of the old line Hearst tabloid size
	newspapers.  to stir a fire on PZ sinc he wrote a virtually
	universal world wide crypto program is....

    2.	and closer to home, we have a yea-sayer mouse: "anonymous-
	user@c2.org" whose does not have the courtesy to pose 
	the question to PZ; and EVEN WORSE, slings mud anonymously.

	granted, PZ is just a man, but he's like you and I. would
    you not consider the source before opening the floodgates of
    character smear?  It sounds like you forgot to clutch in your
    brain before shooting from a duck-blind with your fingers.

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Anonymous User enscribed thusly:

> Original dated: Jan 21 '96, 09:26

> The UK's Sunday Telegraph has today featured an article by Robin
> Gedye entitled "Neo-Nazis are marching on the Internet" in which
> apart the the usual nonsense about neo-Nazis being about to take
> over the world by means of their "Thule Net" accuses the deviser
> of PGP of being a Nazi sympathiser:

> "Private communications between neo-Nazis on the network are
> effected under a program called "Pretty Good Privacy", devised by
> an American neo-Nazi sympathiser."

	<OK, OK - I know.  The needle on my troll meter is pegging
at about 15 on a scale to ten but I can't let this one pass>

	Yeah right...  And what drugs where they on?

	Uh huh...  Sounds like a direct quote from Ms Denning to
me...  Never tell the truth well a lie will do.

	They've tried to paint Phil with that brush too often.

	I was at Interop '94 and was talking with Phil after a session
on the clipper chip when one of the government lackies (don't remember if
it was Ms Denning herself or not - I think it was) went into a tirade about
this.  Acused Phil of supporting terrorists, drug dealers, nazi's, child
molestors, - the whole "four horsemen" nine yards.

	No matter how often you bury one of their red herrings - IT STILL
STINKS TO HIGH HEAVEN!

	It's still a crock of SH*T and it still STINKS TO HIGH HEAVEN!

>   Robin Gedye (in Bonn) p.23 of "The Sunday Telegraph" January 21,
>   1996

	Mike
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just another smear campain from the control-freak left, lets let this 
thread die please :)

Syed Yusuf <yusuf921@uidaho.edu> writes:

> just another smear campain from the control-freak left, lets let this
> thread die please :)

While I fully agree that this thread deserves to die, in the interests
of accuracy I'd like to point out that the paper that libeled PZ is
a right-wing Tory rag.

---

Dr. Dimitri Vulis
Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

I understand it's much easier to sue a  publication for libel in the UK, 
maybe PRZ can recover some of his legal costs ;}

Jay Holovacs <holovacs@ios.com>
PGP Key fingerprint =  AC 29 C8 7A E4 2D 07 27  AE CA 99 4A F6 59 87 90 

On Mon, 22 Jan 1996, Anonymous User wrote:

> "Private communications between neo-Nazis on the network are
> effected under a program called "Pretty Good Privacy", devised by
> an American neo-Nazi sympathiser."
> 
>   Robin Gedye (in Bonn) p.23 of "The Sunday Telegraph" January 21,
>   1996
>

Anonymous User writes:
> "Private communications between neo-Nazis on the network are
> effected under a program called "Pretty Good Privacy", devised by
> an American neo-Nazi sympathiser."

Er, no. Phil is a squishy liberal, actually -- was involved in the
nuclear freeze movement among other things.

I'm forwarding the mail you sent to Phil -- he should get in touch
with those guys, probably sue them.

Perry