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Zimmermann case is dropped.

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NODE b0b91fc9Zimmermann case is dropped.
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My lead defense lawyer, Phil Dubois, received a fax this morning from
the Assistant US Attorney in Northern District of California, William
Keane.  The letter informed us that I "will not be prosecuted in connection
with the posting to USENET in June 1991 of the encryption program
Pretty Good Privacy.  The investigation is closed."

This brings to a close a criminal investigation that has spanned the
last three years.  I'd like to thank all the people who helped us in
this case, especially all the donors to my legal defense fund.  Apparently,
the money was well-spent.  And I'd like to thank my very capable defense
team:  Phil Dubois, Ken Bass, Eben Moglen, Curt Karnow, Tom Nolan, and Bob
Corn-Revere.  Most of the time they spent on the case was pro-bono.  I'd
also like to thank Joe Burton, counsel for the co-defendant.

There are many others I can thank, but I don't have the presence of mind
to list them all here at this moment.  The medium of email cannot express
how I feel about this turn of events.


  -Philip Zimmermann
   11 Jan 96

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NODE 18d1ec55Re: Zimmermann case is dropped.
Good news, but lets not forget that winning the battle  isn't winning the war. 

The dropping of the case means that the legality of the ITAR restrictions goes 
untested. Had the case not been dropped it would have expired shortly under the 
statute of limitations. 

The real issue here is the abuse of the investigative powers of the FBI in 
support of their own political agenda. 

		Phill Hallam-Baker
NODE 2637b87eRe: Zimmermann case is dropped.
We've made no progress. Phil has lots lots of time and gained
lots of grey hairs, and everyone who donated to his defense fund lost
money.
	The US can still harass people if they want, and make their
life hell.

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NODE d1a19dddRe: Zimmermann case is dropped.
>	We've made no progress. Phil has lots lots of time and gained
>lots of grey hairs, and everyone who donated to his defense fund lost
>money.

No progress? At least Phil is not going off on a trip to Alcatraz to
make small ones out of big ones. Thats a big plus in many peoples books.

One of the most overdue reforms of the US government is the renaming of
the FBI building to remove the name of J Edgar Hoover. The abuse of power 
under his administration of the FBI continues to poison the US polity
by providing clear proof to many citizens that their government cannot be 
trusted. While the abuses of Hoover continue to be commemerated in this
fashion there can be little public confidence in any claims of reform.

>	The US can still harass people if they want, and make their
>life hell.

Not just the US government. There are many crooks out there who have attempted
or are attempting worse. At least with the government there are means to
bring it to heel eventually.

	Phill
NODE 7b441ffdRe: Zimmermann case is dropped.
> >	We've made no progress. Phil has lots lots of time and gained
> >lots of grey hairs, and everyone who donated to his defense fund lost
> >money.
> 
> No progress? At least Phil is not going off on a trip to Alcatraz to
> make small ones out of big ones. Thats a big plus in many peoples books.

I wish I could make another of my pollyannaish posts now, but I agree with
Sameer.  It's great that Phil's off the hook, but there's nothing to stop
them from doing the same thing to someone else tomorrow.  What's more,,
everyone here knows that, and so the government gets what it really wants: 
a chilling effect on crypto development. 

How much credit do you give a guy when he stops beating his wife?  They
put Phil through the ringer, made him spend his money on lawyers, and
added a lot of stress to his life.  But they haven't admitted that they
were wrong, and they haven't renounced such actions in the future.

We're all very happy that Phil's out of the woods, and today's
announcement is a great thing.  

But it's not enough.
NODE 717642acRe: Zimmermann case is dropped.
On Thu, 11 Jan 1996 hallam@w3.org wrote:
> make small ones out of big ones. Thats a big plus in many peoples books.
> 

> 
> 
> >	We've made no progress. Phil has lots lots of time and gained
> >lots of grey hairs, and everyone who donated to his defense fund lost
> >money.
> 
> No progress? At least Phil is not going off on a trip to Alcatraz to
> One of the most overdue reforms of the US government is the renaming of
> the FBI building to remove the name of J Edgar Hoover. The abuse of power 
> under his administration of the FBI continues to poison the US polity
> by providing clear proof to many citizens that their government cannot be 
> trusted. While the abuses of Hoover continue to be commemerated in this
> fashion there can be little public confidence in any claims of reform.
> 
> >	The US can still harass people if they want, and make their
> >life hell.
> 
> Not just the US government. There are many crooks out there who have attempted
> or are attempting worse. At least with the government there are means to
> bring it to heel eventually.
> 
> 	Phill
> 
> 

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NODE daf70666Re: Zimmermann case is dropped.
From: sameer <sameer@c2.org>
   Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 15:29:11 -0800 (PST)
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	   We've made no progress. Phil has lots lots of time and gained
   lots of grey hairs, and everyone who donated to his defense fund lost
   money.

To the contrary, Phil won big.  He avoided going to Federal court as the
defendant in a felony case.  That's what matters most.  Yes, a lot of
time, money and effort was spent reaching this outcome, but none of it
was wasted.

	   The US can still harass people if they want, and make their
   life hell.

Of course they can; they're the U.S. government.  No possible outcome of
Phil's case would have changed this fact.  If the Federal government
wishes to make your life miserable they can always do so.

The legal challenges to the ITAR regulations will continue forward in
the various Federal courts, but that fight will no longer be on Phil
Zimmermann's back.  

					--bal
NODE ff8ef031Re: Zimmermann case is dropped.
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> 	   We've made no progress. Phil has lots lots of time and gained
>    lots of grey hairs, and everyone who donated to his defense fund lost
>    money.
> 
> To the contrary, Phil won big.  He avoided going to Federal court as the
> defendant in a felony case.  That's what matters most.  Yes, a lot of
> time, money and effort was spent reaching this outcome, but none of it
> was wasted.
> 
> 	   The US can still harass people if they want, and make their
>    life hell.
> 
> Of course they can; they're the U.S. government.  No possible outcome of
> Phil's case would have changed this fact.  If the Federal government
> wishes to make your life miserable they can always do so.
> 
> The legal challenges to the ITAR regulations will continue forward in
> the various Federal courts, but that fight will no longer be on Phil
> Zimmermann's back.  

Mike Godwin can speak to this a lot better than I can, but I believe that 
by abandoning their case against PRZ, they have seriously weakened their 
case against anyone else that they feel has violated the ITAR in a 
similar manner - it's called "selective enforcement" and courts have been 
taking a dim view of that sort of thing.

I predict that you will start seeing a *lot* of crypto software showing up
on FTP sites within the next 24-48 hours, as news of this spreads. 
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NODE 8c890d3fRe: Zimmermann case is dropped.
> Of course they can; they're the U.S. government.  No possible outcome of
> Phil's case would have changed this fact.  If the Federal government
> wishes to make your life miserable they can always do so.

The more important point being missed of course that Phil has and no
doubt will continue to make certain elements of the U.S government
quite miserable indeed. Something that I suspect doesn't make Phil too
miserable at all.

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NODE 5013941cRe: Zimmermann case is dropped.
On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, sameer wrote:

> 	We've made no progress. Phil has lots lots of time and gained
> lots of grey hairs, and everyone who donated to his defense fund lost
> money.
> 	The US can still harass people if they want, and make their
> life hell.

Agreed.  To me it was always a question of _when_ the charges would be
dropped, not _if_.  The point of these things is generally not to
prosecute people but to harrass them, paralyze them, and make them
blow lots of money.  Unfortunately, the government was successful on
all three counts.  The good news is that if the case hadn't been
dropped it would have meant more of all three for Phil, whether or not
he "won" the case in the end.

   --Dave.

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NODE 9551df49Re: Zimmermann case is dropped.
For once, Thatcher said it best: 
	"Just Rejoice."

However, Churchill said it better: 
	"This is not the end. This is not the beginning of the,
	 but rather the end of the beginning". 

But has Phil sold the photos to a tabloid yet?

Simon

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NODE f46654e2Re: Zimmermann case is dropped.
Congratulations!

You must be very relieved, as are the rest of us in the cryptographic
community in the US.

One question, though.  In your comments, you write
      I'd also like to thank Joe Burton, counsel for the co-defendant.
This raises the obvious question - do you know if the entire case has
been dropped, or have you just been eliminated as a target with the
possibility still open that others may yet be indicted?

Again, my congratulations.

-matt