Re: Guerilla ISP's...

At 06:49 PM 1/1/96 -0800, Lucky Green wrote:

>That is called a conspiracy. The consequence is that all machines involved
>will be confiscated and their respective owners jailed.
>
>
>-- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com>
>   PGP encrypted mail preferred.

If the processes are operating in encrypted accounts not under the control
of the machine owner it is hard to find the machine owner liable.  In
addition, the Feds can only afford a few prosecutions at $50-$100K each
(Brian, if you're listening what *does* the average Federal prosecution
cost?).  The cost of setting up servers is much lower than the cost of
busting them.

DCF

"RIP -- the Interstate Commerce Commission.  Dead Jan 1 at the age of
120(?).  The first Federal regulatory agency.  One down, thousands to go."

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> If the processes are operating in encrypted accounts not under the control
> of the machine owner it is hard to find the machine owner liable.  In
> addition, the Feds can only afford a few prosecutions at $50-$100K each
> (Brian, if you're listening what *does* the average Federal prosecution
> cost?).  The cost of setting up servers is much lower than the cost of
> busting them.

And the servers could really be set up anonymously.  Pay cash to an ISP 
for a SLIP or PPP account, get a phone line under a ficticious name, set 
up a PO box for the (few) bills, find somewhere to set up the machine, 
and away you go...
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On Tue, 2 Jan 1996, Duncan Frissell wrote:

> At 06:49 PM 1/1/96 -0800, Lucky Green wrote:
> 
> >That is called a conspiracy. The consequence is that all machines involved
> >will be confiscated and their respective owners jailed.
> >
> >
> >-- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com>
> >   PGP encrypted mail preferred.
> 
> If the processes are operating in encrypted accounts not under the control
> of the machine owner it is hard to find the machine owner liable.  In
> addition, the Feds can only afford a few prosecutions at $50-$100K each
> (Brian, if you're listening what *does* the average Federal prosecution
> cost?).  The cost of setting up servers is much lower than the cost of

I am listening, but don't know the marginal cost of such a prosecution.  
It is really more a reallocation of already existing resources.  For 
example, we could let the state prosecutors handle a bank robbery or 
three while we protect the unwary innocent from encryption!

EBD

BTW our office collects more every year (from fines, foreclosures, 
bankruptcies, affirmative civil cases, etc. etc.) than our total office 
budget.  We make money -- so why am I unpaid this week!   :-)


> busting them.
> 
> DCF
> 
> "RIP -- the Interstate Commerce Commission.  Dead Jan 1 at the age of
> 120(?).  The first Federal regulatory agency.  One down, thousands to go."
> 
> 

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