Re: Charter of PDX Cpunk meetings

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At 10:52 PM 2/1/96 -0800, Alan Olsen wrote:

>
>I requested that this debate be taken to private e-mail.  Since you seem to 
>not want to do that, and since you insist of making false and unrealistic 
>claims, 

Which "false and unrealistic claims"?


I am removing your name from the subscription list for 
>pdx-cypherpunks.

This isn't a DEBATE.  It is a WARNING to all other potential suckers in the 
Portland Oregon area that Alan Olsen engaged in highly unethical behavior 
with regards to the recent cypherpunks meeting, flamed me without 
justification in the national list, failed to respond to security inquiries, 
failed to deny issues and matters of truth, and failed to properly deal with 
a situation that he had a responsibility to handle ethically.  Not to 
mention lying in the comment above.

I am going to take this to the national list, because you took it there 
first in your original flame:  I am going to point out that you flamed me 
for no good reason; you engaged in a "knee-jerk" "debunking" without even 
knowing what you were ostensibly "debunking,"  that you failed to respond to 
my polite request for clarification; that you've attempted to pretend that I 
was somehow at fault for noticing your transgressions; that your local 
clique is pre-programmed to defend you in the face of your transgressions.  
I notice that some of them don't even know what a key-signing meeting is 
FOR:  I've received commentary which suggests that they believe that 
key-signing somehow vouches for the HONESTY of the person involved; not his 
IDENTITY.

Until you start responding substantively to legitimate complaints, that is 
all you deserve.  The public needs to be warned about people like you.

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Now, hold on here.  I was at the meeting and I don't know what you are 
referring to as "highly unethical behavior", could you expand this 
for myself and others.

As for "FOR:  I've received commentary which suggests that they believe that
key-signing somehow vouches for the HONESTY of the person involved; not his
IDENTITY."  Unless I'm in the minority, the key-signing process IS NOT a test 
to determine if the person is a 'honest' person, but to ensure that the keys 
where valid and that someone did not make a mistake somewhere.

Keep in mind that the meeting was a mixer, not a board of directors meeting - 
take a chill pill.

-Paul      

On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, jim bell wrote:

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> At 10:52 PM 2/1/96 -0800, Alan Olsen wrote:
> 
> >
> >I requested that this debate be taken to private e-mail.  Since you seem to 
> >not want to do that, and since you insist of making false and unrealistic 
> >claims, 
> 
> Which "false and unrealistic claims"?
> 
> 
> I am removing your name from the subscription list for 
> >pdx-cypherpunks.
> 
> This isn't a DEBATE.  It is a WARNING to all other potential suckers in the 
> Portland Oregon area that Alan Olsen engaged in highly unethical behavior 
> with regards to the recent cypherpunks meeting, flamed me without 
> justification in the national list, failed to respond to security inquiries, 
> failed to deny issues and matters of truth, and failed to properly deal with 
> a situation that he had a responsibility to handle ethically.  Not to 
> mention lying in the comment above.
> 
> I am going to take this to the national list, because you took it there 
> first in your original flame:  I am going to point out that you flamed me 
> for no good reason; you engaged in a "knee-jerk" "debunking" without even 
> knowing what you were ostensibly "debunking,"  that you failed to respond to 
> my polite request for clarification; that you've attempted to pretend that I 
> was somehow at fault for noticing your transgressions; that your local 
> clique is pre-programmed to defend you in the face of your transgressions.  
> I notice that some of them don't even know what a key-signing meeting is 
> FOR:  I've received commentary which suggests that they believe that 
> key-signing somehow vouches for the HONESTY of the person involved; not his 
> IDENTITY.
> 
> Until you start responding substantively to legitimate complaints, that is 
> all you deserve.  The public needs to be warned about people like you.
> 
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Paul Kanz 
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