Re: cypherpunks press

>ecarp@netcom.com sez:
<rm for brevity>

>My feeling is that Mitnick getting past security, and Mitnick not having
>to decrypt at every stage, and stuff like that is good material, but these
>topics generally have big ol' love handles attached to them. Describing
>people's hot tub parties, for example, is not exactly cypherpunk material.

<more snippin'>

>I am imagine many people use (and I am headed this way) nntp.hks.net merely
>to avoid large boring non crypto/political threads. Not everyone has this
>capability, and now some of them have left because of the S/N. I'm talking
>about real cryptographers, not weekend warriors like, well, ok I'm more like
>a yearend warrior.On the other hand, Alice and others haven't posted lately,
>so perhaps the noise is just the fill-the-vacuum pheonominon.
>
>> Why don't you go and write some code?  Put those busy fingers to better
>
>Perhaps he is. I am. Are you?

I am too, but the other half of my major is philosophy.  I can't help BSing
about the social issues too.....which seems to be common on the list.
Perhaps there is a compromise since there seem to be interests on the part
of both parties?  Like cypherpunks-tech@toad,com.  Any words?

lunaslide

On the meridian of time there is no injustice, only the poetry of motion
creating the illusion of truth and drama.
                                                Henry Miller

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lunaslide@loop.com sez:

> I am too, but the other half of my major is philosophy.  I can't help BSing
> about the social issues too.....which seems to be common on the list.
> Perhaps there is a compromise since there seem to be interests on the part
> of both parties?  Like cypherpunks-tech@toad,com.  Any words?

I think social issues are appropiate. I'm just giving examples (and I think
Perry throws himself to the floor when he sees this stuff come across the
list) where people chain: cryptograpy->war advantage->war ended with nukes->
many people killed->morality of killing those people->can'twealljustgetalong

My feeling is that near the "war ended with nukes" and beyond belongs in email.

Speaking of social implications, however, I notice that yahoo has blacked
their page to protest CDA. That is a major PR point right there. I hope
enough big, visible places do so as well. Hopefully this will get some kind
of real press. Probably "Major firms voice support for raping of children" or
something, knowing the slant they tend to put on things...

My feeling is that once stealth PGP is out, there's *no*way* Congress could
get away with legislating away the privacy and security that would provide.

Don

ObReallyNoisyNow: I wonder how long it will be until crypto/stego/hidden
messages/no fear of accessing forbidden sites takes off in China... Yeah
right like they're going to be able to keep track of the number of people
that are eventually going to have internet.

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On Thu, 8 Feb 1996, Don wrote:
{snip}
> My feeling is that once stealth PGP is out, there's *no*way* Congress could
> get away with legislating away the privacy and security that would provide.
{snip}
What will stealth PGP be?  Will it use RSA?

Also, how flawed is MIT pgp?  Is it really worth using international
versions (i.e. ones written out of the USA which don't use RSA)?  Does
the Gov't have some complaint about said versions?

Harold



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> Also, how flawed is MIT pgp?  Is it really worth using international
> versions (i.e. ones written out of the USA which don't use RSA)?  Does
> the Gov't have some complaint about said versions?

Umm, I dont know.  How is MIT PGP flawed?  Besides a few known bugs,
of course.  There shouldn't be much difference, code-wise, between the
MIT version and the International version.  The major difference is
that MIT PGP has a license to use RSAREF which makes it legal to use
w.r.t. patent issues in the US.

AFAIK, there are no versions of PGP which do not use RSA.  They
all do.  The only difference is that MIT PGP uses RSAREF, whereas
the International versions use a non-licensed version of RSA.

-derek

Don writes:
> My feeling is that once stealth PGP is out, there's *no*way* Congress could
> get away with legislating away the privacy and security that would provide.

Is anyone out there actively working on an implementation of the "stealth 
PGP" concept ?  I asked Derek Atkins about a stealth mode in the upcoming 
PGP `96 ^H^H^H 3.0 at the Jan. Bay Area physical mtg, and he said the PGP3
team had no particular plans to support such a thing. 

-Lewis	"What would we do without all these jerks, anyway ?  Besides, all my
	 friends are here..." -Don Henley

On Thu, 8 Feb 1996 lmccarth@cs.umass.edu wrote:

> Is anyone out there actively working on an implementation of the "stealth 
> PGP" concept ?  I asked Derek Atkins about a stealth mode in the upcoming 
> PGP `96 ^H^H^H 3.0 at the Jan. Bay Area physical mtg, and he said the PGP3
> team had no particular plans to support such a thing. 

When asked, he also indicated that the PGP 3.0 message formats would be 
embedded into the API in such a way that it would not be possible to use 
the library to generate or process stealth.  Of course, you could always 
strip the unstealthy data out as you would with PGP 2.x, but that doesn't 
help on the receiving end.

--
Johnathan M. Corgan
jcorgan@aeinet.com
http://www.aeinet.com/jcorgan.htm

"One should realize, of course, that whether Crypto Anarchy
prevails depends not upon the varied philosophical leanings of
citizen-units May and Denning, but rather upon whether our
mathematics is more powerful than their jackbooted thugs."

                                                -Mike Duvos

(seemed appropriate :)