Re: InfoWarCon V 1996: Call For Papers

At 11:01 PM 3/16/96 -0500, winn@Infowar.Com wrote:
>                   C A L L   F O R   P A P E R S 
>
>                          InfoWarCon 5, 1996
>           Fifth International Information Warfare Conference
>            "Dominating the Battlefields of Business and War"
>                         September 5-6, 1996
>                           Washington, DC
>Sponsored by:
>     Winn Schwartau, Interpact, Inc.
>     National Computer Security Association
>     Robert Steele, Open Source Solutions, Inc.
>
>Information Warfare represents a global challenge that faces all late-industrial 
>and information age nation states.  It also represents the easiest and cheapest 
>way for less developed nation-states and religious or political movements to 
>anonymously and grievously attack major nations and international corporations.
>
>This Fifth International Conference on Information Warfare is an unclassified, 
>open source conference, and will examine US and global perspectives on all three 
>classes of Information Warfare:

I'm wondering if I should bother re-writing my "Assassination Politics" 
essay into the form of a paper and submitting it to these people.  While it 
might nominally be considered right down their alley, from a subject 
standpoint, even a cursory look at the location (Washington, DC) and the 
invited people (large companies and military) suggest that my ideas would be 
just about as welcome as a yarmulke at a Nazi Party convention.

I'm not aware of the agenda (hidden or otherwise) of the sponsors, so I don't know whether I should even bother.  Many people aren't particularly appreciative of being "one-upped" (not to mention made obsolete) so it's not clear that they'd give me the time of day.  

Any ideas as to their receptiveness?

Jim Bell
jimbell@pacifier.com

On Sat, 16 Mar 1996, jim bell wrote:

> At 11:01 PM 3/16/96 -0500, winn@Infowar.Com wrote:
> >                   C A L L   F O R   P A P E R S 
> >
> >                          InfoWarCon 5, 1996
> >           Fifth International Information Warfare Conference
> >            "Dominating the Battlefields of Business and War"
> >                         September 5-6, 1996
> >                           Washington, DC
> 
> I'm wondering if I should bother re-writing my "Assassination Politics" 
> essay into the form of a paper and submitting it to these people.  While it 
> might nominally be considered right down their alley, from a subject 
> standpoint, even a cursory look at the location (Washington, DC) and the 
> invited people (large companies and military) suggest that my ideas would be 
> just about as welcome as a yarmulke at a Nazi Party convention.

It didn't take an analysis of the sponsor or even the forum to determine 
this.

> 
> I'm not aware of the agenda (hidden or otherwise) of the sponsors, so 
I don't know whether I should even bother.  Many people aren't 
particularly appreciative of being "one-upped" (not to mention made 
obsolete) so it's not clear that they'd give me the time of day. Any 
ideas as to their receptiveness?

I think you should keep your day job.  As to "one-upping" the key figures 
in the field.  Good luck.

Hey, you asked.

> Jim Bell
> jimbell@pacifier.com
> 
> 

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Welcome!

I can't tell which of the two authors of ths following conversation is the more 
paranoid, but clearly at least 1 1/2 of them are totally wrong with their 
assumptions about 'agenda' and 'receptiveness' and 'one-upped.' It's so obscure, 
I don't know whether to take it seriously or not.

BUT - if you are serious about submitting, to an international audience, I 
suggest that you first:

	- Read "Information Warfare: Chaos on the Electronic Superhighway"
	- Get the Proceedings from InfoWarCon III, 1995 from 1.800.488.4595

and then make informed opinions and decisions.

We openly ebncourgae and welcome controversial subjects; that's why InfoWarCon's 
are so successful Fromthe sounds of it, no one else would have you.   <BG>

Make it intersting, cogent, contributory to the field, and meaningful. We will 
then take you seriously.

Thyanks for your thoughts!
Winn



On Sun, 17 Mar 1996, Black Unicorn <unicorn@schloss.li> wrote:
>On Sat, 16 Mar 1996, jim bell wrote:
>
>> At 11:01 PM 3/16/96 -0500, winn@Infowar.Com wrote:
>> >                   C A L L   F O R   P A P E R S 
>> >
>> >                          InfoWarCon 5, 1996
>> >           Fifth International Information Warfare Conference
>> >            "Dominating the Battlefields of Business and War"
>> >                         September 5-6, 1996
>> >                           Washington, DC
>> 
>> I'm wondering if I should bother re-writing my "Assassination Politics" 
>> essay into the form of a paper and submitting it to these people.  While it 
>> might nominally be considered right down their alley, from a subject 
>> standpoint, even a cursory look at the location (Washington, DC) and the 
>> invited people (large companies and military) suggest that my ideas would be 
>> just about as welcome as a yarmulke at a Nazi Party convention.
>
>It didn't take an analysis of the sponsor or even the forum to determine 
>this.
>
>> 
>> I'm not aware of the agenda (hidden or otherwise) of the sponsors, so 
>I don't know whether I should even bother.  Many people aren't 
>particularly appreciative of being "one-upped" (not to mention made 
>obsolete) so it's not clear that they'd give me the time of day. Any 
>ideas as to their receptiveness?
>
>I think you should keep your day job.  As to "one-upping" the key figures 
>in the field.  Good luck.
>
>Hey, you asked.
>
>> Jim Bell
>> jimbell@pacifier.com
>> 
>> 
>
>---
>My prefered and soon to be permanent e-mail address: unicorn@schloss.li
>"In fact, had Bancroft not existed,       potestas scientiae in usu est
>Franklin might have had to invent him."    in nihilum nil posse reverti
>00B9289C28DC0E55  E16D5378B81E1C96 - Finger for Current Key Information
>
>
>
Peace
Winn

		        Winn Schwartau - Interpact, Inc.
		        Information Warfare and InfoSec
		       V: 813.393.6600 / F: 813.393.6361
			    Winn@InfoWar.Com

On Sun, 17 Mar 1996, Black Unicorn wrote:

> > >                   C A L L   F O R   P A P E R S 
> > >
> > >                          InfoWarCon 5, 1996
> > >           Fifth International Information Warfare Conference
> > >            "Dominating the Battlefields of Business and War"
> > >                         September 5-6, 1996
> > >                           Washington, DC
> > 
> > I'm wondering if I should bother re-writing my "Assassination Politics" 
> > essay into the form of a paper and submitting it to these people.  While it 
> > might nominally be considered right down their alley, from a subject 
> > standpoint, even a cursory look at the location (Washington, DC) and the 
> > invited people (large companies and military) suggest that my ideas would be 
> > just about as welcome as a yarmulke at a Nazi Party convention.
> 

I personally know Winn and several of the folks from NCSA.  You're stuff 
would be a FANTASTIC contribution, and I'm certain that it would be a 
popular session.  Yes, some of these folks are a bit "establishment," but 
they go to these things looking for new ideas, new perspectives, etc.

You sound like a guy who can hold his own in a debate, so I imagine 
you'll have no problems dealing with this crowd.  They may "challenge" 
your views, but you're not going to get attacked or anything.

BTW, I'm not one of the reviewers or organizers....

> > I'm not aware of the agenda (hidden or otherwise) of the sponsors, so 
> I don't know whether I should even bother.  Many people aren't 
> particularly appreciative of being "one-upped" (not to mention made 
> obsolete) so it's not clear that they'd give me the time of day. Any 
> ideas as to their receptiveness?

Don't read too much into this.  Last year, we had Eric Bloodaxe (Chris G) 
there, a host of, uh, shall we say "fringe" elements, and I think Eric 
Hughes was there (?Eric?  Sarah and I *think* we saw you there?), as well.
As far as an "agenda" other than the published one, I think you're probably 
being overly concerned.  It's actually a fun con and you'd be surprised 
the number of people willing to actively listen to anyone they even think 
might remotely be a "hacker."

If you show up trying to "one up" folks, however, you may not get what you 
want.  It's more of a cooperative, interactive forum;  Not a competition.

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