Judge blocks French ISPs from connecting to revisionist sites

>From the attached message by Valerie Sedallian, it looks like a French
judge approved the injunction. This will allow the French Jewish Students
Association to prevent a number of ISPs (including CompuServe and IBM
Global Network) from allowing connections to any revisionist web sites. In
France, revisionism is a criminal offense. 

Related messages are in these archived threads:

http://fight-censorship.dementia.org/fight-censorship/dl?num=1801
http://fight-censorship.dementia.org/fight-censorship/dl?thread=French+Jewish+s
tudents+sue+ISPs+for+revisionist+materials&after=1817

Instructions on how to subscribe to fight-censorship-announce for updates:
  http://fight-censorship.dementia.org/top/

A web site with some info on Germany's failed net.blocking attempts:
  http://www.gsia.cmu.edu/andrew/ml3e/www/Not_By_Me_Not_My_Views/

France's failed book banning attempt is at:
  http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~declan/le-secret/

Info on other international net-censorship attempts is at:
  http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~declan/zambia/

-Declan



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Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 20:29:05 +0100
From: Sedallian =?iso-8859-1?Q?Val=E9rie?= <sedallian@argia.fr>
To: Declan McCullagh <declan@eff.org>
Subject: French Jewish students sue ISPs for revisionist materials?

Declan,

Here is a note about the hearing that i have written for my newsletter and
translated . english version has not reviewed yet so please excuse english
mistakes.you can forward this message .

FRANCE : 15 March 1996

A French Jewish Students Association ( Union des Etudiants Juifs de France
- UEJF)  has issued a writ against 9 French Internet Providers on the
grounds that ISP allow their client to access to negationists services or
messages infringing French criminal law.
 The plaintiff asked that the jugde gave the defendants an injonction under
penalties to prevent their clients to connect to messages and services
that patently infringe a  french law that provides that revisionism is a
criminal offense (loi Gayssot).

 The law provides that whose who will have contested publicly the existence
of one or some crimes
against humanity as they are defined under article 6 of statutes   of the
international military court attached to London agreement of 8 august 1945
and that have been committed either by an organisation declared criminal by
application of article 9 of the said statute , or by a person recognised as
guilty of such crimes by a french or international jurisdiction will be
punished up to an emprisonnment of one year or/and a fine of 300 000FF

Defendants have explained that they were providers of access, not of
content, the the plaintiff 's demand would amount to make an a priori,
systematic, in real time control  on all serviecs and messages exchanged,
which would be impossible to implement. They underlined the discriminatory
character of the proceedings as not all French IP had been sued and the
unspecified nature of the demand , messages and services considered
unlawfull not being precised.
International law issues and the fact that negationnists messages come from
persons located in the USA where they are protected by the 1st amendment of
the american constitution have also been discussed.

Internet providers have reminded that they were neither administrators or
managers of the Internet, which is  a network build by  users themselves.

 Sentenced is scheduled April 12th 1996.

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Those silly French people. And this right after the German Minister of
Justice is quoted in Der Spiegel admitting that such blocking is foolish
and counterproductive. 

OTOH, the Attorney General of Ontario threw out all charges against Ernst
Zundel last Friday. Zundel's Holocaust-denial files are available from
pathcom.com, cts.com, aol.com, compuserve.com, netcom.com, c2.org,
stormfront.org, mit.edu, and cmu.edu (most of the Zundel-friendly sites
require payment and a password). A student at pitt.edu has publicly and
repeatedly offered to mirror Zundel's files as well, but he won't let her,
because she's Jewish. None of the mirror sites are blocked by the French
action, and of course all email and anonymous proxy routes are unfettered. 

Declan's list of links tells only one side of the story, with numerous
factual errors that have been pointed out publicly and repeatedly. I 
refer you to last months' posts to comp.org.eff.talk by rich@c2.org.

See also articles in the Western Jewish Bulletin by Hilary Ostrov and
others, which support the right of Holocaust-deniers to speak freely.
Those articles are available at: 

 http://haven.uniserve.com/~hostrov/jwb/
 http://haven.uniserve.com/~hostrov/mcvay.html
 http://haven.uniserve.com/~hostrov/denial.html

There are dozens of articles, many of them by Holocaust survivors and the
children of survivors and victims supporting the right of
Holocaust-deniers to lie and organize freely on shamash.nysernet.org,
www.eff.org, nizkor.almanac.bc.ca, and www.skeptic.com. The articles on
the Skeptic Society and EFF sites have some interesting comments on the
"Revisionists'" callous disregard for the truth in both substantive and
"anti-censorship"  matters. See: 

 http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?orgs/american/skeptic.magazine

You will find not one article supporting the censorship of Nazis in
alt.revisionism or alt.fan.ernst-zundel. For over a year, the regular
posters have been trying to get the "Revisionist" leaders to participate
in a public discussion on Usenet, but they have refused.

Mendacious secret societies are secret not because they are oppressed, 
but because whenever they show their face in public, they are laughed at. 

 http://www.users.cts.com/crash/m/metzger/White_Aryan_Resistance_Info/Race_%26_Reason.html

- -rich
 Institute for Revisionist Revisionism
 http://www.c2.org/~rich/Press/Swedish/

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In other news, Holocaust Revisionist mgiwer@combase.com (Matt Giwer) has
been *openly bragging* about getting a political opponent kicked off of a
conservative Texas ISP. The main difference between the French and Texas
cases being that the information on Rack Jite's web pages was true, and
the information on the Holocaust Revisionist sites is not. I guess that's
not important, though, since by definition, Political Correctness only
targets the right. 

-rich

Said political opponent is now being serviced by an ISP that
will not kick him off because of threats from revisionists.

> In other news, Holocaust Revisionist mgiwer@combase.com (Matt Giwer) has
> been *openly bragging* about getting a political opponent kicked off of a
> conservative Texas ISP. The main difference between the French and Texas
> cases being that the information on Rack Jite's web pages was true, and
> the information on the Holocaust Revisionist sites is not. I guess that's
> not important, though, since by definition, Political Correctness only
> targets the right. 
> 
> -rich
> 


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