Keep the pressure! Cryptographers Against Cryptography EXPOSED!

This is the third in a regular series of postings to expose
the lie that has become of the Leahy bill. I am proud to report that
the majority of us have the good sense to see this for what it is but
a few cypherpunks continue to lie to us and have not recanted. It is
too late to toss this up as a mistake in judgement.

We tried to educate these people on the error of their ways but
they persist in spreading the lie that the Leahy bill is good
for us. We tried to give them the benefit of the dout, but isn't
it funny that when presented with the facts NOT ONE OF THESE ""SCIENTISTS""
has admited to his CLEAR MISTAKE. No, they continue spreading the same
lie lie lie that the LEAHEY BILL WILL SOMEHOW HELP US.

THEY MUST BE STOPPED.

We can be fortunate that their number is small. At least the ones
we know about. Only three more since the last report. But even
one is too many.

These people have alot to answer for. Ask them who they work for
and who signs there checks. Ask them why they lie. Ask them why
they are afraid of your right to privacy. (of course we know why)
Show them HOW WE FEEL. Let them serve as examples too others if
they are too cowardly to serve as beacons for truth.

THE LIST OF SHAME:
B. Schneier: bs208@newton.cam.ac.uk, schneier@counterpane.com
M. Blaze: mab@crypto.com, mab@research.att.com
J. Bizdos: jim@rsa.com
S. Safaddar: shabbir@vtw.org
D. Weinstein: djw@vplus.com
P.. Peterson: padgett@hobbes.orl.mmc.com
B. Stewart: stewarts@ix.netcom.com
B. Unicorn: unicorn@schloss.li
P. Karn: karn@unix.ka9q.ampr.org
D. McCullagh: declan@well.com

BOYCOTT APPLIED CRYPTOGRAPHY, AT&T, VTW, and RSA!!!!

THE LEAHY BILL IS 100% PART OF THE PLAN TO KILL FREE CRYPTO.
YOU DON'T NEED EXPERTS TO THINK FOR YOU! REMEMBER RICO AND WORLD GOVERNMENT!

anonymous-remailer@shell.portal.com writes:
> THEY MUST BE STOPPED.

Yup, really evil folks. Lets go over some of the people on your list.

> THE LIST OF SHAME:
> B. Schneier: bs208@newton.cam.ac.uk, schneier@counterpane.com

Bruce Schneier, cryptographic privacy advocate, cryptographer,
publisher of "Applied Cryptography", the book that signaled the end of
the NSA's ability to keep information on how to build cryptosystems
out of the hands of most people. A smart 14 year old, armed with a C
compiler and Applied Cryptography, cannot be prevented from writing
good cryptographic software. Is this the NSA enemies list, by chance?

> M. Blaze: mab@crypto.com, mab@research.att.com

Matt Blaze, cryptographer, privacy advocate, anti-authoritarian. The
guy who showed that Tessera/Fortezza cards were flawed and embarassed
the NSA in public with it. Regularly releases strong cryptographic
tools to the public. Participated strongly with me and others in early
efforts to build software only "voice crypto" systems. Tirelessly
criticizes control on cryptographic software. Is your list of
"enemies" supplied by the NSA?

> J. Bizdos: jim@rsa.com

Well, I'm not going to defend Jim. Besides, he can take care of
himself. However, although he isn't necessarily a friend of
cypherpunks, he's no friend of control of cryptography by the
government, which would put him out of business.

> S. Safaddar: shabbir@vtw.org

Shabbir: creator of voters telecom watch; privacy advocate, tireless
opponent of the CDA, free speech restrictions, network regulation, and
any other attempt at stopping freedom on the net. Shabbir is not a guy
you would call an advocate of authoritarianism.

> B. Stewart: stewarts@ix.netcom.com

Bill Stewart: "Hippie Anarchist"; he and his wife, Laura, are about
the most anti-government folks I think you are likely to find this
side of Alpha Centauri. Bill is as libertarian as they come, and
unconditionally opposes any attempts at restricting anyone's freedom
to live peacefully. The idea that he'd advocate anything that
increased the power of government is absurd. One of the nicest people
I know.

> P. Karn: karn@unix.ka9q.ampr.org

Phil Karn: Engineer's Engineer, crypto-hacker, privacy advocate. Phil
is suing the government right now to get the right to export
cryptographic software freely -- he has gone through a lot of trouble
to try to prove you have a constitutional right to distribute
cryptographic software and to prove that if you can ship it in print
you can ship it on disk. Phil ceaselessly advocates the use of strong
cryptography by everyone, and is one of the people who built the
predecessor of the current IETF IPsec standard. Phil worked very hard
on creating the Photuris key exchange protocol, which takes care to
make sure that all parties remain anonymous to eavesdroppers. Phil has
released large amounts of strong cryptographic code to the public,
including the fastest implementation of DES ever seen in
software. After an NSA flack spoke about his nightmare of every $80
digital phone on earth having unbreakable crypto in it, Phil quipped
something like "well, folks, now we know our design goal." Phil
tirelessly spreads the gospel of PGP. In short, he isn't on anyone's
short list of "friends of the NSA".

> D. McCullagh: declan@well.com
Declan is a tireless advocate of free speech, going so far as to work
hard to distribute speech he highly disagrees with if it is being
censored. I don't know him personally, but he hardly fits the profile
of "Friends of the NSA" or some such.


In short, Mr. Anonymous, you couldn't have picked a bigger bunch of
"Enemies of the NSA" for your "Friends of the NSA" list if you had
been explicitly instructed to pick the biggest opponents of
controls on cryptographic software and write them down. My question to
you is this: are you just stupid or ornery, or is the NSA paying you
for this?

Perry
Who is disappointed that he didn't make the "LIST OF SHAME", but
understands that perhaps he hasn't done enough to oppose controls on
cryptography. I'll work harder, and hopefully you will denounce me
soon.

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                          SANDY SANDFORT
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C'punks,

On Wed, 20 Mar 1996 anonymous-remailer@shell.portal.com wrote:

> THE LIST OF SHAME:
> B. Schneier: bs208@newton.cam.ac.uk, schneier@counterpane.com
> M. Blaze: mab@crypto.com, mab@research.att.com
> J. Bizdos: jim@rsa.com
> S. Safaddar: shabbir@vtw.org
> D. Weinstein: djw@vplus.com
> P.. Peterson: padgett@hobbes.orl.mmc.com
> B. Stewart: stewarts@ix.netcom.com
> B. Unicorn: unicorn@schloss.li
> P. Karn: karn@unix.ka9q.ampr.org
> D. McCullagh: declan@well.com
> 
> BOYCOTT APPLIED CRYPTOGRAPHY, AT&T, VTW, and RSA!!!!
> 
> THE LEAHY BILL IS 100% PART OF THE PLAN TO KILL FREE CRYPTO.
> YOU DON'T NEED EXPERTS TO THINK FOR YOU! REMEMBER RICO AND WORLD GOVERNMENT!

I have to admit I haven't read the Leahy bill in detail.  But
I do get a little hinky whenever Congress tries to "help" us, 
so it seems reasonable to look for the worm in every legislative 
apple--the Leahy bill included.

Having said that, I am totally put off by the gradiose and 
devisive ravings of this commentator.  During the Second World 
War the Nazis required Jews in the occupied countries to wear a
yellow star of David to identify themselves.  In Denmark, the
king so identified himself, and soon so did most of his subjects. 

In that grand tradition of solidarity with persecuted minorities 
I request that I be added to anonymous' "LIST OF SHAME."  It is 
MY protest against this utter nonsense.  (I have always felt 
cheated that I was too young and politically naive to make the 
Nixon Enemies List.  I've made it up some since then with a fat 
FBI file, but it just isn't the same.)

A CYPHERPUNK CALL TO ARMS!!!

(Did I get the style right?)  C'punks, if you feels as I do, 
please take a few moments to sign up for the LIST OF SHAME?  
Let's show Bill, Bruce, Matt and all the others what most 
Cypherpunks really think about them and Mr/Ms Anonymous.


 S a n d y

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On Wed, 20 Mar 1996, Sandy Sandfort wrote:

> > 
> > BOYCOTT APPLIED CRYPTOGRAPHY, AT&T, VTW, and RSA!!!!
> > 
> > THE LEAHY BILL IS 100% PART OF THE PLAN TO KILL FREE CRYPTO.
> > YOU DON'T NEED EXPERTS TO THINK FOR YOU! REMEMBER RICO AND WORLD GOVERNMENT!

(...)
> 
> 
> I am totally put off by the gradiose and 
> devisive ravings of this commentator.  


Uh-huh.  And Perry said something about how the `list of shame' looks 
like an NSA enemies list.

Why do I sniff a scent of `provocateur'?  Is it just in my nose?

Charles Bell

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                          SANDY SANDFORT
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C'punks,

On Wed, 20 Mar 1996, Charles Bell wrote:

> Uh-huh.  And Perry said something about how the `list of shame' looks 
> like an NSA enemies list.
> 
> Why do I sniff a scent of `provocateur'?  Is it just in my nose?

Actually, I doubt Mr/Ms Anonymous is a provocateur.  Reads more
like a paranoid schitzophrenic to me.  Dollars to donuts says 
it's Detweiler.


 S a n d y

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Sandy Sandfort writes:
> 
> (Did I get the style right?)  C'punks, if you feels as I do, 
> please take a few moments to sign up for the LIST OF SHAME?  
> Let's show Bill, Bruce, Matt and all the others what most 
> Cypherpunks really think about them and Mr/Ms Anonymous.

What the hell; it can't be any worse than being on Demopublican
mailing lists. Sign me an offended customer.

--
The word "gaijin" literally means "foreign person". Many Westerners like to
think that the Japanese use it in the same way as the Grand Dragon of the Ku
Klux Klan uses "nigger", but it ain't really true. They use it when they mean
"nigger", but they also sometimes use it to mean "honorable nigger".
 - Bill Lambert in soc.couples.intercultural

I would sign on, but I don't think you want to associate with a crypto-
jewish anarchist fucking statist nazi free-speech activist censor asshole
l. detweiler tentacle.

-rich
 Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the
 highest political end.-- Lord Acton

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                          SANDY SANDFORT
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C'punks,

On Wed, 20 Mar 1996, Rich Graves wrote:

> I would sign on, but I don't think you want to associate with a crypto-
> jewish anarchist fucking statist nazi free-speech activist censor asshole
> l. detweiler tentacle.

Sure we do.  As Detweiler always says, "The more, the merrier."


 S a n d y

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anonymous-remailer@shell.portal.com said:
> 
> We can be fortunate that their number is small. At least the ones
> we know about. Only three more since the last report. But even
> one is too many.

Well, you can add me to the list. Although there are a couple of
problems with the Leahy bill, it still seems to me to be a step 
in the right direction. 

> 
> These people have alot to answer for. Ask them who they work for
> and who signs there checks. Ask them why they lie. Ask them why
> they are afraid of your right to privacy. (of course we know why)
> Show them HOW WE FEEL. Let them serve as examples too others if
> they are too cowardly to serve as beacons for truth.

I'll answer up front. I work for the University of Minnesota. I don't
get a check, I have direct deposit. If you saw how much it is, you'll
*know* that I don't speak for them. I haven't lied for a couple of
minutes now, and certainly not about my support for the Leahy bill.
I'm not afraid of any right to privacy, in fact I insist on it and
support it whenever possible.

I don't know how you feel, and I wish you wouldn't show me, as I am
afraid that you feel squishy and slightly damp. That might cause me
to lose my appetite.

> 
> THE LIST OF SHAME:
> B. Schneier: bs208@newton.cam.ac.uk, schneier@counterpane.com
> M. Blaze: mab@crypto.com, mab@research.att.com
> J. Bizdos: jim@rsa.com
> S. Safaddar: shabbir@vtw.org
> D. Weinstein: djw@vplus.com
> P.. Peterson: padgett@hobbes.orl.mmc.com
> B. Stewart: stewarts@ix.netcom.com
> B. Unicorn: unicorn@schloss.li
> P. Karn: karn@unix.ka9q.ampr.org
> D. McCullagh: declan@well.com
> 
> BOYCOTT APPLIED CRYPTOGRAPHY, AT&T, VTW, and RSA!!!!

Don't forget grapes!

> 
> THE LEAHY BILL IS 100% PART OF THE PLAN TO KILL FREE CRYPTO.
> YOU DON'T NEED EXPERTS TO THINK FOR YOU! REMEMBER RICO AND WORLD GOVERNMENT!

I can't remember breakfast, now what was that about RICO and World Government?
Did I take over the world again and forget to clean up after myself? Sorry.


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University of Minnesota |  his views are the same as yours."  
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