Re: [NOISE] Re: Guardian angels, the decency brigade, and cyberserap

Peter Trei wrote about my signature:
>
>It's this last sig-quote that bothers me. It's worth noting that, unlike
>the other two, it has no attribution. It looks like an inversion of
>Benjamin Franklin's:
>
>" They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
>  deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>         - Historical Review of Pennsylvania

It is an inversion of that quotation and it does indeed sum up our focus.
It has no name on it because I switched it around to make a motto for our
work.  Not that I disagree with Franklin though.  The comment is true both
ways around.

>
>People usually put in their .sigs quotes they feel sum up their personal
>philiosophy. I guess soon we'll see 'Gabriel' give us some more words
>to live by; these may be right up his alley:
>
>"War is Peace"
>"Ignorance is Strength"
>"Freedom is Slavery"
>        - Orwell, "1984"

:)  As a former teacher at the University of London department of adult
studies, teaching history, politics and International Relations I can
assure you I am very familiar with the history and belief of
totalitarianism - and have opposed them all my life.

>
>Gabriel's also misquoting Burke - the actual text is:
>"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
>nothing. "
>

That's not how I have it but hey! Obviously we are dealing here with a man
who knows his quotes.

Gabriel

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angels@wavenet.com wrote:
>Peter Trei wrote about my signature:
>>
>>It's this last sig-quote that bothers me. It's worth noting that, unlike
>>the other two, it has no attribution. It looks like an inversion of
>>Benjamin Franklin's:
>>
>>" They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
>>  deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>>         - Historical Review of Pennsylvania
>
>It is an inversion of that quotation and it does indeed sum up our focus.
>It has no name on it because I switched it around to make a motto for our
>work.  Not that I disagree with Franklin though.  The comment is true both
>ways around.

No.  "Those who sacrifice security for freedom, will have neither" is
not consistent with Franklin's statement, nor is it true.  Security and
freedom are antithetical, and worse than that, security is always an
illusion.  But you can have your illusion, as long as you keep it out of
my life.  Censor yourself if you wish, but don't censor anything I might
want to look up.

>>People usually put in their .sigs quotes they feel sum up their personal
>>philiosophy. I guess soon we'll see 'Gabriel' give us some more words
>>to live by; these may be right up his alley:
>>
>>"War is Peace"
>>"Ignorance is Strength"
>>"Freedom is Slavery"
>>        - Orwell, "1984"
>
>:)  As a former teacher at the University of London department of adult
>studies, teaching history, politics and International Relations I can
>assure you I am very familiar with the history and belief of
>totalitarianism - and have opposed them all my life.

Yeah, right.

Although you don't seem to have mastered propaganda quite yet.

	allen
	ethridge@onramp.net