Re: Know Your Net.Enemies Project

At 3:47 AM 4/11/96, Declan B. McCullagh wrote:
>Would anyone be interested in collaborating on a "Know Your Net Enemies"
>project?
>
>We'd start with a resource like Bob Chatelle's excellent web pages at
><http://world.std.com/~kip/bcfenatl.html> and with permission build on
>it and list the deceptions and misrepresentations each Net-Enemy has
>engaged in -- what each has done to restrict liberty online. We'd
>include original documents and links as appropriate.
..

Sort of like Nixon's Enemies List?

Have we become the enemy?

Flippancy aside, this strikes me as being a terribly negative, destructive,
and counterproductive way of approaching things. It could easily backfire
in the media, as they note the "Enemies List," or "The Page of Shame."

Recall how the recent "List of Shame" was reacted to, as some people
clamored to be added.

And just how would "Net-Enemies" be decided upon? By vote? By acclamation?
By whomever wants to create an entry? Would Denning (Dorothy) be on the
list, but not Denning (Peter)? How about Barlow? Maybe the whole EFF power
structure at the time of the Wiretap Act should be added to the Net-Enemies
list...I'll start working on this right away.

Well, count me out. I know who I think are the people receptive to my
concerns and viewpoints, and the people not receptive...and I don't need an
Enemies List to tell me. I'd prefer to evaluate people I haven't yet
reached a decision on based on their own merits.

--Tim May

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Excerpts from cypherpunks: 11-Apr-96 Re: Know Your Net.Enemies P.. by
Timothy C. May@got.net 
> Sort of like Nixon's Enemies List?
>  
> Have we become the enemy?

Tim, I thought that the "Enemies List" name would be seen as a
deliberate takeoff of Nixon's Enemies List, and what I thought would be
a humorous working title for the project until a permanent one was
found. You may remember, BTW, that I don't have the power of the FBI to
command.

But since I was unclear and since the joke was ill-taken, I apologize.

To be clear: I envision this as opposition research. In the context of
the CDA, it was very useful to know what the family values groups were
saying -- their arguments and their strategies. A central collection
point for such research is a useful thing.

Suggestions for a working title, anyone?

-Declan

On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, Declan B. McCullagh wrote:

> Excerpts from cypherpunks: 11-Apr-96 Re: Know Your Net.Enemies P.. by
> Timothy C. May@got.net
> > Sort of like Nixon's Enemies List?

Don't we already have a list of anti-crypto cypherpunks? That should
definitely be added. I'll write the FUCKING STATIST section.

> > Have we become the enemy?
>
> Tim, I thought that the "Enemies List" name would be seen as a
> deliberate takeoff of Nixon's Enemies List, and what I thought would be
> a humorous working title for the project until a permanent one was
> found. You may remember, BTW, that I don't have the power of the FBI to
> command.
>
> But since I was unclear and since the joke was ill-taken, I apologize.

Cool. In retrospect, I understand that much of what you've been saying in
the last couple months was intended ironically. At least you didn't say
something really over-the-top like "fuck you and your high horse too."
Someone might have taken offense.

> To be clear: I envision this as opposition research. In the context of
> the CDA, it was very useful to know what the family values groups were
> saying -- their arguments and their strategies. A central collection
> point for such research is a useful thing.

I disagree. Anything that bundles together Canter & Siegel, the Family
Research Council, the Church of Scientology, and overzealous prosecutors
in Mannheim and Cincinatti is bound to be so all-encompassing and vague as
to be meaningless. It's like discussing "the Internet Party."

Be sure to talk about Usenet censorship at NIU, those censor-happy
homosexuals at Harvard, those Stanford speech code prosecutions, the
involvement of the Wiesenthal Center in the Zundelmatter, the theft of
conservative newspapers at Stanford and elsewhere, the censorship of, in
the News & Observer's words, an "unconventional view of the Holocaust" at
UMAss Amherst, the censorship of soc.history.war.world-war-ii, the elusive
Eric Carr, those violent threats against David Irving at Berkeley, the
coverup of the number of bits in a byte, and other urban legends.

Nonspecialist idealogues are dangerous. They tend to be sloppy with the
facts. Look at Noam Chomsky; he's an embarrassment to any serious
researcher on US interventionism in Latin America.

-rich

"MinTruth Personnel Office"


Adam

-- 
"It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once."
					               -Hume

On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, Declan B. McCullagh wrote:

> Excerpts from cypherpunks: 11-Apr-96 Re: Know Your Net.Enemies P.. by
> Timothy C. May@got.net 
> > Sort of like Nixon's Enemies List?
> >  
> > Have we become the enemy?
> 
> Tim, I thought that the "Enemies List" name would be seen as a
> deliberate takeoff of Nixon's Enemies List, and what I thought would be
> a humorous working title for the project until a permanent one was
> found. You may remember, BTW, that I don't have the power of the FBI to
> command.
> 
> But since I was unclear and since the joke was ill-taken, I apologize.
> 
> To be clear: I envision this as opposition research. In the context of
> the CDA, it was very useful to know what the family values groups were
> saying -- their arguments and their strategies. A central collection
> point for such research is a useful thing.
> 
> Suggestions for a working title, anyone?

Re-education prospects list.

> 
> -Declan
> 
> 

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