Re: E-mail harassment by c2

At 08:48 PM 4/20/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Dear folks at C2, 
> 
>If people don't ask you to be placed on a mailing list they jolly well
>don't have to follow *your* instructions to get taken off. 
[snip]

I think you're missing what happened.

Someone subscribed the address for the _cypherpunks_ list to the clueless
list.  The "welcome to clueless" message got sent to you via the cypherpunks
list.  Notice the instructions from C2 say:

>If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, 
>you can send mail to "Majordomo@c2.org" with the following command 
>in the body of your email message: 
> 
>unsubscribe clueless cypherpunks@toad.com 

The email address there is the cypherpunks list, not yours.

The reason you received the second email is that majordomo@c2.org (the
address you sent mail to) is not a person -- it's a mail list administering
program.  Your mail had no command that majordomo recognized, so it sent you
the majordomo help file.  That's what it's supposed to do.

You aren't being harassed by anyone.  You aren't on the clueless list.  You
are on the cyperpunks list -- if you want to unsubscribe, send email to
majordomo@toad.com with the words "unsubscribe cypherpunks" (without the
quotes) in the body of your message.


Rich

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OTOH, maybe he's trying to declare himself a candidate :)

This is turning into some sort of a weird ponzi scheme - we'll all wind 
up on "clueless" by virtue of belonging to other lists which have been 
subscribed to clueless which ...

Please attach your name to the bottom of the list, and subscribe your 
list to clueless ...

eventually, the entire 'net will be clueless ... (insert favorite 
aol-bash here) ;)

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Rabid Wombat
wombat@mcfeely.bsfs.org
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On Sat, 20 Apr 1996, Rich Burroughs wrote:

> I think you're missing what happened.
> 
> Someone subscribed the address for the _cypherpunks_ list to the clueless
> list.  The "welcome to clueless" message got sent to you via the cypherpunks
> list.  Notice the instructions from C2 say:
> 
> >If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, 
> >you can send mail to "Majordomo@c2.org" with the following command 
> >in the body of your email message: 
> > 
> >unsubscribe clueless cypherpunks@toad.com 
> 
> The email address there is the cypherpunks list, not yours.

Now *this* is an interesting denial of service attack on c2's site. (**) 
(**) Crypto relevance
On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, Rabid Wombat wrote:

> This is turning into some sort of a weird ponzi scheme - we'll all wind 
> up on "clueless" by virtue of belonging to other lists which have been 
> subscribed to clueless which ...
> 
> Please attach your name to the bottom of the list, and subscribe your 
> list to clueless ...
> 
> eventually, the entire 'net will be clueless ... (insert favorite 
> aol-bash here) ;)
>