Re: Nazis on the Net

From: tallpaul@pipeline.com (tallpaul)

>Since E.A. Smith wants completeness re the Zundelsite issue, I am curious
>about his assertion about Weaver. 
 
>Might we know the source of his complete info on Weaver's political and
>racial beliefs. 
 
>I see, in essence, three hypothesis: 
 
>1) Cover the ass of a potential neo-Nazi or racist (or both) without any
>reference to what is really true; 
 
>2) Get information from outer space; 
 
>3) Base the conclusion on hard evidence. 
 
>If the answer is 3) I'd like to get a real pointer to the real evidence. By
>real evidence I mean just that, not wishful thinking or advertising jingles
>for points 1) or 2). 

	Hmm... good question. I've seen various quotes from Randy Weaver in
various publications, including Time and other non-right-wing ones. None of
them indicated him as an actual neo-Nazi or racist, even in the stories (such
as in Time) which appeared to assume that militia member = neo-Nazi (quite
incorrect, from what I know of the subject. For instance, the most
anti-government of the gun-rights organizations, which appears to have quite a
few militia members, is Jews for Firearms Ownership. The founders of the
organization in question believe that gun rights are necessary to prevent
another Holocaust. Other gun-rights political organizations concentrate on
self-defense from non-governmental criminals). I don't know when I'll have
the time to check on the matter. 
 
>PS: Cypherpunks seems to be getting very wiggy these days.

	Most mailing lists do on a regular basis... my (passing) scans of the
archives indicate that cypherpunks is prone to this.
	-Allen

E. Allen Smith actually might have written:

>I've seen various quotes from Randy Weaver in various publications,
>including Time and other non-right-wing ones. None of them indicated him
>as an actual neo-Nazi or racist

BWAHAHAHA!!!

Here's a URL for a *highly sympathetic* piece on Weaver that complains
that, "I will be happier when the press stops demonizing Weaver -- in
subtle and not so subtle ways -- in news stories and editorials. He is
referred to so consistently as "White Separatist Randall Weaver" that one
would be forgiven for assuming that his parents gave him the first name
"White,"  while "Separatist" was some old family name handed down from his
maternal aunt":

 http://www.omnet.com/What-I-Think/col.09-01-95B.html

Here are some *highly sympathetic* URLs that mention that Weaver was a
white separatist/Aryan Nations wacko:

http://www.scimitar.com/revolution/by_topic/firearms/enforce/rubyridge/setup.html
http://eagle.tamu.edu/~carlp/Liberty/Weaver.Case.AR.html

A slightly more balanced piece from the New York Times:

 http://eagle.tamu.edu/~carlp/Liberty/Weaver.Case.NYT.html

FWIW, the Anti-Defamation League, which I am *well aware* has said sily
things about militias and skinheads in the past, mentions Weaver in this
report:

 http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/w/weaver.randy/aryan-nations

I have also heard Weaver cited quite favorably on the Stormfront list,
which has repudiated Timothy McVeigh because his friend Terry Nichols has
a Filipino wife. This makes McVeigh a Race Traitor by association, of
course.

-rich