NODE c91a4702Re: Clipper III analysis
frantz@netcom.com (Bill Frantz)Thu, 23 May 1996 07:47:20 +0800
John Gilmore wrote an excellent description of GAK 3 (aka Clipper III, aka
Enabling Privacy, Commerce, Security and Public Safety in the Global
Information Infrastructure). Here are a couple of other points that even
the proponents of this scheme should agree to:
(1) GAK3 does not provide for the significant public purpose of protecting
dissident groups under repressive regimes. Human rights groups in
Bosina/Serbia have used PGP to protect their files. Since their computers
have been frequently seized, the only protection for those people who have
made human rights complaints has been that the local government has not had
access to the keys.
(2) The paper fails to differentiate between the needs of communication
privacy and data storage privacy. No rational person would want to GAK
their communication keys. Data lost because keys are lost can always be
retransmitted. Since communications are easy to intercept, having a long
term GAK key greatly increases the chances that the long term key will be
stolen and the session keys intercepted. Communication session keys should
be decided by techniques such as Diffie Hellman which ensure that the only
entities with access to the key are the programs/hardware at each end of
the link.
A better case for escrowing long term data storage keys can be made.
Physical security provides some protection for the cyphertext. Loss of a
key can mean loss of the data. However, it is not clear why encrypting for
data storage is any different from storing confidential data in a safe. If
the government has a legitimate need to access the data, they can access it
through the same legal processes they use to access data in safes. While
long term data storage can use escrow agents, it does not need GAK for any
legal public purpose.
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NODE 331908c9Re: Clipper III analysis
Robert Hettinga <rah@shipwright.com>Thu, 23 May 1996 13:36:13 +0800
At 1:58 PM -0400 5/22/96, Bill Frantz wrote:
> John Gilmore wrote an excellent description of GAK 3
^^^^^
I think we have a winner, folks! GAK3 it is...
Cheers,
Bob Hettinga
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NODE d62a12c5Re: Clipper III analysis
Rich Graves <llurch@networking.stanford.edu>Thu, 23 May 1996 17:34:18 +0800
On Wed, 22 May 1996, Robert Hettinga wrote:
> At 1:58 PM -0400 5/22/96, Bill Frantz wrote:
>
> > John Gilmore wrote an excellent description of GAK 3
> ^^^^^
> I think we have a winner, folks! GAK3 it is...
In the "Nickelodeon" section of Great America amusement park in Sunnyvale,
there's a big sign covered with green ooze saying "Beware of GAK." It's
almost worth $18.00 to go back with a camera.
-rich