Re: National Journal article sez net-activism is just political hicks

At 3:06 AM 5/24/96, jim bell wrote:
>At 03:31 PM 5/23/96 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote:

>>>Tommorrow, Washington's politically-powerful National Journal reportedly
>>>will publish a know-nothing piece of "journalism" saying that net-aided
>>>politics is essentially nothing but a batch of ineffective, know-nothing
>>>nerds and back-water political hacks.
>
>At least we now know that the National Journal hasn't heard of
>Cyber-Anarchy--- or they didn't understand one word of it.


What is this "cyber-anarchy" (or "Cyber-Anarchy") you keep talking about?


--Tim May

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On Thu, 23 May 1996, Timothy C. May wrote:
> >At least we now know that the National Journal hasn't heard of
> >Cyber-Anarchy--- or they didn't understand one word of it.
> 
> 
> What is this "cyber-anarchy" (or "Cyber-Anarchy") you keep talking about?

Heh. Check out http://anarchy-online.dementia.org/book/ for Charles 
Platt's "Anarchy Online."

(Did I mention it here before? Charles talks about a few things we've
discussed here, like the Zundel mirrors, Marty Rimm, and the fight over 
the CDA.)

-Declan

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On Thu, 23 May 1996, Declan McCullagh wrote:

> On Thu, 23 May 1996, Timothy C. May wrote:
> > >At least we now know that the National Journal hasn't heard of
> > >Cyber-Anarchy--- or they didn't understand one word of it.
> > 
> > What is this "cyber-anarchy" (or "Cyber-Anarchy") you keep talking about?
> 
> Heh. Check out http://anarchy-online.dementia.org/book/ for Charles 
> Platt's "Anarchy Online."
> 
> (Did I mention it here before? Charles talks about a few things we've
> discussed here, like the Zundel mirrors, Marty Rimm, and the fight over 
> the CDA.)

Yeah, you'd mentioned it, but I hadn't read it until just now. I see he
mentions me on http://anarchy-online.dementia.org/book/section.2.html, but
my name is badly misspelled; it starts with "R," not "D." Donna's name is
badly misspelled, too, early on. 

I wholeheartedly support his conclusions, by the way. They're based on
a number of incorrect premises, but any fictions are convenient ones. 

http://www.stanford.edu/~ajg/project.html
http://www.c2.org/~rich/Not_By_Me_Not_My_Views/rebuttal.html

- -rich

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A shame that Charles didn't give you all the credit you so rightfully
deserve. Holocaust fetishists need all the press they can get. :)

Perhaps he thinks you're a net.loon -- I do suggest you ask him! 

Yours truly,

Declan



On Fri, 24 May 1996, Rich Graves wrote:

> Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 10:50:05 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Rich Graves <llurch@networking.stanford.edu>
> To: Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com>
> Cc: "Timothy C. May" <tcmay@got.net>, jim bell <jimbell@pacifier.com>,
>     cypherpunks@toad.com, cp@panix.com
> Subject: Anarchy Online
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> On Thu, 23 May 1996, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 23 May 1996, Timothy C. May wrote:
> > > >At least we now know that the National Journal hasn't heard of
> > > >Cyber-Anarchy--- or they didn't understand one word of it.
> > > 
> > > What is this "cyber-anarchy" (or "Cyber-Anarchy") you keep talking about?
> > 
> > Heh. Check out http://anarchy-online.dementia.org/book/ for Charles 
> > Platt's "Anarchy Online."
> > 
> > (Did I mention it here before? Charles talks about a few things we've
> > discussed here, like the Zundel mirrors, Marty Rimm, and the fight over 
> > the CDA.)
> 
> Yeah, you'd mentioned it, but I hadn't read it until just now. I see he
> mentions me on http://anarchy-online.dementia.org/book/section.2.html, but
> my name is badly misspelled; it starts with "R," not "D." Donna's name is
> badly misspelled, too, early on. 
> 
> I wholeheartedly support his conclusions, by the way. They're based on
> a number of incorrect premises, but any fictions are convenient ones. 
> 
> http://www.stanford.edu/~ajg/project.html
> http://www.c2.org/~rich/Not_By_Me_Not_My_Views/rebuttal.html
> 
> - -rich
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On Fri, 24 May 1996, Declan McCullagh wrote:

> > Yeah, you'd mentioned it, but I hadn't read it until just now. I see he
> > mentions me on http://anarchy-online.dementia.org/book/section.2.html, but
> > my name is badly misspelled; it starts with "R," not "D." Donna's name is
> > badly misspelled, too, early on. 
> > 
> > I wholeheartedly support his conclusions, by the way. They're based on
> > a number of incorrect premises, but any fictions are convenient ones. 
> > 
> > http://www.stanford.edu/~ajg/project.html
> > http://www.c2.org/~rich/Not_By_Me_Not_My_Views/rebuttal.html
>
> A shame that Charles didn't give you all the credit you so rightfully
> deserve. Holocaust fetishists need all the press they can get. :)
> 
> Perhaps he thinks you're a net.loon -- I do suggest you ask him! 

Oh, I have no doubt that he believes everything you tell him. So, Charles,
do you think I'm a net.loon, and why? Please reply publicly on
cypherpunks. I'd like E. Allen Smith and Jim Bell to read this.

Declan, I sincerely apologize by "avoiding" you by going to a long-
scheduled DHCP implementation meeting with Rob Riepel and Roger Avedon
rather than taking your one call.  As I told you, again, yesterday, my
alphanumeric pager can be reached via rich@beep.stanford.edu (80
characters from the Subject: line), and I'd be happy to talk to you at any
convenient time outside working hours.

-rich
 moderator, comp.os.ms-windows.announce

On Fri, 24 May 1996, Rich Graves wrote:

> Oh, I have no doubt that he believes everything you tell him. So, Charles,
> do you think I'm a net.loon, and why? Please reply publicly on
> cypherpunks. I'd like E. Allen Smith and Jim Bell to read this.

Your wish is my command, but--who are they?

Actually Rich it took me a while to remember you. The Zundel affair didn't
loom large in my life (because I wasn't part of it, I guess). I assumed
you had long since moved on to more important matters.  I have no idea
whether you are a net.loon. But I am sorry if I misspelled your name in my
book, and indeed as soon as I get offline here, I'm going to do a word
search. We're making the text into pages right now, so the time is right. 

Which Donna did I misspell? Donna Hoffman?

--Charles Platt

On Fri, 24 May 1996, Rich Graves wrote:

> Oh, I have no doubt that he believes everything you tell him.

I have enough respect for Charles to say that he probably doesn't believe 
everything *anyone* tells him, including me.

-Declan