NODE 3ad0004bRe: The Crisis with Remailers
loki@infonex.com (Lance Cottrell)Sun, 19 May 1996 11:14:21 +0800
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At 9:00 AM 5/18/96, Dr. Dimitri Vulis wrote:
>"Vladimir Z. Nuri" <vznuri@netcom.com> writes:
>> 1. there is no economic incentive.
>
>So, add the code to mixmaster (and even the old style remailers) to
>collect e-cash as it passes on the anonymous message. Then this will
>be a good way to accumulate some e-cash, and a number of people will
>try running remailers for this very purpose. Witness the recent
>Usenet spam by someone advertizing a for-pay remailer.
>
I was invited to the digicash API design meeting precisely to make sure it
could be used in remailers. It will not be using the current API. The
problem is that Mixmaster requires exact knowledge of the size of every
object in the message, to maintain constant message size. I could set aside
room for one, two, three coins, but there is no guarantee that the payment
will be made with only that many coins. The current API is going to be high
level. It will does not allow the program to know anything about the
internals of the payment. I need to be able to specify payment of amount X
using no more than N coins. As soon as I have that level of control, you
will see postage in Mixmaster.
-Lance
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NODE 239277e3Re: The Crisis with Remailers
iang@cs.berkeley.edu (Ian Goldberg)Tue, 21 May 1996 15:05:48 +0800
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In article <adc3e4280c021004b7c4@[206.170.115.3]>,
Lance Cottrell <loki@infonex.com> wrote:
>At 9:00 AM 5/18/96, Dr. Dimitri Vulis wrote:
>>"Vladimir Z. Nuri" <vznuri@netcom.com> writes:
>>> 1. there is no economic incentive.
>>
>>So, add the code to mixmaster (and even the old style remailers) to
>>collect e-cash as it passes on the anonymous message. Then this will
>>be a good way to accumulate some e-cash, and a number of people will
>>try running remailers for this very purpose. Witness the recent
>>Usenet spam by someone advertizing a for-pay remailer.
>>
>
>I was invited to the digicash API design meeting precisely to make sure it
>could be used in remailers. It will not be using the current API. The
>problem is that Mixmaster requires exact knowledge of the size of every
>object in the message, to maintain constant message size. I could set aside
>room for one, two, three coins, but there is no guarantee that the payment
>will be made with only that many coins. The current API is going to be high
>level. It will does not allow the program to know anything about the
>internals of the payment. I need to be able to specify payment of amount X
>using no more than N coins. As soon as I have that level of control, you
>will see postage in Mixmaster.
>
> -Lance
I mentioned this to Chaum, and he didn't really seem agree with the need for
something lower-level...
Another problem with postage in Mixmaster: the minimum ecash payment is
$0.01. Do we want to charge that much for email? Need we consider
micropayments?
- Ian
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NODE a612a6b0Re: The Crisis with Remailers
sameer@c2.orgTue, 21 May 1996 15:09:48 +0800
>
> Another problem with postage in Mixmaster: the minimum ecash payment is
> $0.01. Do we want to charge that much for email? Need we consider
> micropayments?
>
one cent could well be too low.
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NODE 42eb1418Re: The Crisis with Remailers
bryce@digicash.comTue, 21 May 1996 22:12:10 +0800
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The entity known as Ian Goldberg is alleged to have written:
>
> Another problem with postage in Mixmaster: the minimum ecash payment is
> $0.01. Do we want to charge that much for email? Need we consider
> micropayments?
The above, as stated, is inaccurate. The "minimum ecash payment"
is not known at this time, although we think it might be greater
than 2^-32 US Dollars. <img alt=":-)" meta meaning="That was a
joke." src="http://www.c2.net/~bryce/smiley.gif">
Regards,
Bryce
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