Re: [SCARE]: "If you only knew what we know..."

On 26 May 96 at 12:23, Subir Grewal wrote:

> the
> struggle does not always have to be violent, and it hurts our cause
> to instigate violence when none has been used directly against us.

How would you qualify the seizing of 50+ % of our productive work?

Since only the productive work permits an individual to live, could
you say that they steal half of your life?  Why not?  Then, any tax
man targeted by AP who is past 1/2 the life expectency is getting an
"an eye for an eye" or better deal...

Are you telling that giving your wallet to a mugger is not done under 
violence directed against you since he did not shoot you or beat you 
in the first place?  Do you tell me that the fact that he did not use 
his gun means that there is no violence implied?

Under every pile of red-tape lies a fully loaded gun.  And *this* is 
what gives govt employees their attitude toward you.

Just some thoughts.

Ciao

JFA
...and actually, I am not even on CP mailing list...

PLEASE NOTE: THIS POST DOES NOT MEAN THAT I ENDORSE MR. BELL'S
SYSTEM.  MY RATIONNAL CONCLUSIONS ABOUT IT'S INTERNAL MECHANICS
AND IT'S INTRINSIC LOGICS DOES NOT MEAN THAT I LIKE NOR ENDORSE
THE SYSTEM. I SIMPLY CONCLUDED THAT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PREVENT
THE SYSTEM FROM BEING IMPLEMENTED.  IMO, IT IS UNAVOIDABLE.

 DePompadour, Societe d'Importation Ltee  
 Limoges porcelain, Silverware and mouth blown crystal glasses

 JFA Technologies, R&D consultants.
 Physists, technologists and engineers.

 PGP keys at: http://w3.citenet.net/users/jf_avon
 ID# C58ADD0D : 529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

On Sun, 26 May 1996, Jean-Francois Avon wrote:

:How would you qualify the seizing of 50+ % of our productive work?
:<snip>
:Are you telling that giving your wallet to a mugger is not done under
:violence directed against you since he did not shoot you or beat you
:in the first place?  Do you tell me that the fact that he did not use
:his gun means that there is no violence implied?
:<snip>
:Under every pile of red-tape lies a fully loaded gun.  And *this* is
:what gives govt employees their attitude toward you.

It is quite obvious that the state enforces taxation via coercion, whether
that coercion always takes the form of "your money or your life" is
doubtful, more often it involves the threat of incarceration rather than
death.  The (supposed) difference between taxation and robbery is that one
is ostensibly deriving some benefit from taxation (i.e. even if it is used
for welfare, the argument is this is some sort of insurance scheme in that
you would derive some benefits if unemployed, we believe unemployment
insurance should be voluntary but that's another matter).  Of course the
state is inefficient and taxes do not always go where they are meant to,
but it is difficult to sustain an analogy between a mugging and taxation.
A money laundering scheme is probably much more appropriate (ironic
because we only launder money to pacify the state), you must appreciate
the subtlety of taxation.  You might very well believe that taxation is
robbery, and everyone else who reads Reason might agree with you, but the
rest of the world is not about to look at this in the same way, and you
hurt your cause by the rhetoric.  Most people, quite rightly in my
opinion, believe taxes are necessary and that collecting them forcefully
is the only option available to us.  The minimalist state will probably
have an "out" clause and you will be able to go out "into the woods" and
set up your own little libertarian (or anarcho-capitalist) commune with
all the others who believe all taxation is robbery, and you'll probably be
able to keep your Uzi to guard yoruself against your neighbours as well
(good luck).  I'll be happy with a state-run law enforcement agency (of a
form different from the one we have today of course).

hostmaster@trill-home.com * Symbiant test coaching * Blue-Ribbon * Lynx 2.5

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: 2.6.2
Comment: Key Escrow = Conscription for the masses | 2048 bit via finger

iQB1AwUBMakLFxwDKqi8Iu65AQHDVQL+OqP/NogXPNYXTfYE2JmYcpsaR84ToMti
X2iToIWKQ6F7xUzYT/lbiOg45h8KLPXr6BNpoVpoVowukXdM8ZTEVTaARpMM/iY2
bF6FUZ33c41eV58ZJriJh6yjMjlKwUsE
=u2vX
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----