FTC online workshop on privacy

Pointing out encryption, anonymnity, etcetera as means couldn't
hurt...
	BTW, at the end of the message is something from this Adam Starchild
fellow, with a web address for "Asset Protection & Becoming Judgement Proof."
I'd be interested in a review of it.
	-Allen

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Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 14:41:06 -0700
From: Adam Starchild <taxhaven@ix.netcom.com>
To: privacy@ftc.gov
Subject: FTC Workshop on Consumer Privacy in Cyberspace


      FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION WORKSHOP ON CONSUMER PRIVACY
              IN CYBERSPACE TO BE HELD IN JUNE 1996

     The Federal Trade Commission's Bureau of Consumer Education
will hold a public workshop on June 4 and 5 to focus on privacy
issues in the online marketplace.  The development of technologies
such as the Internet and the World Wide Web has allowed online
businesses to collect and use personal information about consumers,
often without consumers' knowledge or consent.  The workshop
will examine consumer privacy issues in this new marketplace,
consumer and business education about the use of personal
information online, and ways to enhance the growth of the online
marketplace by fostering consumer confidence. 
     Workshop topics will include the use of consumer information,
the use of medical and financial information online, the collection
and use of information about children, electronic approaches to
protecting consumer privacy online, and the European Union's
directive on the protection of personal data.
     The workshop will be open to the public and will be held on
June 4, 1996 from 9:00AM to 5:00PM in Room 432 of the FTC
headquarters building, 6th Street and Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W., in
Washington, D.C.  On June 5, 1996 the workshop will be held from
9:00AM to 12:30PM in Room 332 of the FTC headquarters building.  
     The Bureau invites representatives of consumer groups,
industry, government agencies, and other groups to take part in the
workshop.  Any person wishing to be considered for participation in
the public workshop must file a written request, on or before May
24, 1996, to Martha Landesberg, Division of Credit Practices,
Bureau of Consumer Protection, Federal Trade Commission,
Washington, DC 20580.


Posted by Adam Starchild
     Asset Protection & Becoming Judgement Proof at
     http://www.catalog.com/corner/taxhaven



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Excerpts from internet.cypherpunks: 22-May-96 FTC online workshop on
privacy by "E. ALLEN SMITH"@ocelot. 
> Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 01:08 EDT
> From: "E. ALLEN SMITH" <EALLENSMITH@ocelot.Rutgers.EDU>
> Subject: FTC online workshop on privacy
> To: cypherpunks@toad.com
>  
>         Pointing out encryption, anonymnity, etcetera as means couldn't
> hurt...

Speaking of privacy and cypherpunkly interests, one bill that seems to
have grown out of the FTC's recent interest in the area will be
introduced in two hours.

The legislation being introduced at 10:30 am will restrict selling
mailing lists with childrens' names and other identifying info on them,
including email lists. Another attempt to regulate the net, or a good
thing?

Supporting is Christian Coalition, Family Research Council, Enough is
Enough!, Bruce "I wrote the CDA" Taylor's group, and EPIC.

I'm not sure what I think of it, since I just got the text of the
legislation yesterday.

-Declan

>>>>> "Declan B McCullagh" <declan+@CMU.EDU> writes:

  > The legislation being introduced at 10:30 am will restrict selling
  > mailing lists with childrens' names and other identifying info on
  > them, including email lists. Another attempt to regulate the net,
  > or a good thing?

  > Supporting is Christian Coalition, Family Research Council, Enough
  > is Enough!, Bruce "I wrote the CDA" Taylor's group, and EPIC.

Bwahahahaha...  

So selling mailing lists which identify children is bad, but adding
"I'm a minor" tags to TCP/IP packets is good?

OK, so where's that Lolita Filter source code again...

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On Wed, 22 May 1996, Declan B. McCullagh wrote:

> The legislation being introduced at 10:30 am will restrict selling
> mailing lists with childrens' names and other identifying info on them,
> including email lists. Another attempt to regulate the net, or a good
> thing?

I'd have to see the bill, but I think it's a good general idea, provided
there's the caveats KNOWINGLY and WITHOUT THEIR [parent/guardian's]
KNOWLEDGE. As much as I hate direct marketers, I don't want them subject
to malicious and arbitrary prosecution because one address out of
thousands happens to belong to a kid. 

On second thought, why are kids different than adults? Selling lists of
women? Gays? Kids aren't the only group subject to harassment.

> Supporting is Christian Coalition, Family Research Council, Enough is
> Enough!, Bruce "I wrote the CDA" Taylor's group, and EPIC.

They're not *always* wrong. Oh, EPIC too, eh?

-rich

Excerpts from internet.cypherpunks: 22-May-96 Re: FTC online workshop on
.. by Declan McCullagh@CMU.EDU 
> The legislation being introduced at 10:30 am will restrict selling
> mailing lists with childrens' names and other identifying info on them,
> including email lists. Another attempt to regulate the net, or a good
> thing?

Whoops. I should have said the press conference happened at 10:30 am.
The bill will be introduced in both houses later this  week.

Interesting press conference. Enough is Enough! took quite a bit of time
to rant about the dangers of the Internet. Pedophiles, chat rooms,
illegal pornography.

You get the idea.

Did you know May 20-26 is "Safe Cyber Week?"

-Declan

On Wed, 22 May 1996, Declan B. McCullagh wrote:

> Did you know May 20-26 is "Safe Cyber Week?"

Of course! Didn't everybody?
-- 
rich.graves@stanford.edu
this is safe cyber week!
http://www.cybercorp.net/safe/

On Wed, 22 May 1996, E. ALLEN SMITH wrote:

> 	Pointing out encryption, anonymnity, etcetera as means couldn't
> hurt...
> 	BTW, at the end of the message is something from this Adam Starchild
> fellow, with a web address for "Asset Protection & Becoming Judgement Proof."
> I'd be interested in a review of it.

Unsophisticated, lacking in real substantative sources for material (scope
is again mentioned, and I find them often dangerously inaccurate, a resort
to the paladin press for reference information is equally suspect in my
view), and while containing some interesting ideas and general outlines,
mostly dangerous to those who do not understand that a little knowledge is
a dangerous thing.

> 
> Posted by Adam Starchild
>      Asset Protection & Becoming Judgement Proof at
>      http://www.catalog.com/corner/taxhaven

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