NODE d3b980aaToastmasters?Incorporating
remailer@2005.bart.nl (Senator Exon)Mon, 20 May 1996 17:23:56 +0800
How do corporations work, in terms of liability? If the cost of
incorporating isn't forbidding, I would think a remailer operator might
consider incorporating a company, and making the remailer a function of
that company. That way, any losses are restricted to the total value of
the corporation; that is, nothing. Any flaws? There must be something
wrong with it somewhere.
Thanks.
NODE c96d5505Re: Incorporating
qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)Mon, 20 May 1996 23:02:22 +0800
! How do corporations work, in terms of liability? If the cost of
! incorporating isn't forbidding, I would think a remailer operator might
An excellent idea for reducing civil liabilty.
It's easy and cheap to incorporate a delaware for-profit corporation.
Following certain practices,
vastly increases your legal status.
Such as the corporate boilerplate of:
Stock certificates;
Proper titles and roles that are duly recorded;
Proper minutes, meetings, accounting;
Good Articles of Incorporation.
In other words,
Sameer the $USER is very different from President/Chairman Sameer Parekh of C2, Inc.
A non-profit corporation is considably different,
and for certain reasons,
would not be as good as for-profit for potentially shielding civil liability.
(Unfortunately, case law suggests that.)
! consider incorporating a company, and making the remailer a function of
! that company. That way, any losses are restricted to the total value of
! the corporation; that is, nothing. Any flaws? There must be something
! wrong with it somewhere.
Less freedom than the sole-proprietor.
Following the corporate protocols.
! Thanks.
Thank you for your contribution,
Qut
NODE e84343e4Re: Incorporating
Alan Horowitz <alanh@infi.net>Tue, 21 May 1996 16:28:44 +0800
Corporations are creations of the Sovereign; for this reason they have no
rights. Certainly not a right to Not Act As A Witness Against Oneself.
NODE 52ece7daRe: Toastmasters?
Black Unicorn <unicorn@schloss.li>Tue, 21 May 1996 01:59:30 +0800
On Mon, 20 May 1996, Senator Exon wrote:
> How do corporations work, in terms of liability? If the cost of
> incorporating isn't forbidding, I would think a remailer operator might
> consider incorporating a company, and making the remailer a function of
> that company. That way, any losses are restricted to the total value of
> the corporation; that is, nothing. Any flaws? There must be something
> wrong with it somewhere.
All the corporate officers are public knowledge.
The corporate veil can pretty easily be perferated if there is a willful
attempt to avoid liability when conduct gets above a certain threshold.
This would be pretty easy to show in the event the corporation never made
dime one and never intended to.
Using corporations as a shield is, in my view, less desireable than having
blinded remailers.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
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NODE e2aca848Re: Toastmasters?
dlv@bwalk.dm.com (Dr. Dimitri Vulis)Tue, 21 May 1996 15:29:22 +0800
Black Unicorn <unicorn@schloss.li> writes:
> On Mon, 20 May 1996, Senator Exon wrote:
>
> > How do corporations work, in terms of liability? If the cost of
> > incorporating isn't forbidding, I would think a remailer operator might
> > consider incorporating a company, and making the remailer a function of
> > that company. That way, any losses are restricted to the total value of
> > the corporation; that is, nothing. Any flaws? There must be something
> > wrong with it somewhere.
>
> All the corporate officers are public knowledge.
You seem to be confused. If the corporation isn't publicly traded, why should
any information other than the address for service of process be public?
> The corporate veil can pretty easily be perferated if there is a willful
> attempt to avoid liability when conduct gets above a certain threshold.
>
> This would be pretty easy to show in the event the corporation never made
> dime one and never intended to.
What if the corporation intends to collect e-cash for operating the remailer?
(Of course, one can still be sued...)
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NODE f34ac8eeRe: Toastmasters?
Black Unicorn <unicorn@schloss.li>Tue, 21 May 1996 16:20:38 +0800
On Mon, 20 May 1996, Dr. Dimitri Vulis wrote:
> Black Unicorn <unicorn@schloss.li> writes:
>
> > On Mon, 20 May 1996, Senator Exon wrote:
> >
> > > How do corporations work, in terms of liability? If the cost of
> > > incorporating isn't forbidding, I would think a remailer operator might
> > > consider incorporating a company, and making the remailer a function of
> > > that company. That way, any losses are restricted to the total value of
> > > the corporation; that is, nothing. Any flaws? There must be something
> > > wrong with it somewhere.
> >
> > All the corporate officers are public knowledge.
>
> You seem to be confused. If the corporation isn't publicly traded, why should
> any information other than the address for service of process be public?
Ask every state which has such reporting requirements (which is every
state in the union).
If you wanted to form an offshore corporation you'd have to form an
exempted one.
>
> > The corporate veil can pretty easily be perferated if there is a willful
> > attempt to avoid liability when conduct gets above a certain threshold.
> >
> > This would be pretty easy to show in the event the corporation never made
> > dime one and never intended to.
>
> What if the corporation intends to collect e-cash for operating the remailer?
That would clearly change the analysis.
> (Of course, one can still be sued...)
>
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>
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