Re: FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS

At 09:55 PM 6/5/96 -0700, Bruce Baugh wrote:

>The rest of us (in the US) live in a country where the government can now
>pretty much declare anyone they like terrorists, and suspend habeus corpus
>on the flimsiest of grounds, and use evidence against foreigners that
>doesn't have to be presented to the accused, and all sorts of fun stuff.

But if that's true...

>I don't think that my direst claims _will_ come true. But I don't think I'm
>speculating anything that _can't_ happen, and I see much of it as
>increasingly likely in the light of the ongoing furor over crypto and
>related matters.

If that's true (and I don't doubt that it is) doesn't that suggest to you 
that something serious needs to be done to fix the problem?

>From a tagline:

"If you always do what you have always done, you will always get what you've
always got."

If you say we shouldn't rock the boat because the bad guys might come, isn't 
it just possible that the REASON the "bad guys might come" is because we 
have not, in the past, adequately rocked the boat?

My impression is that it is frequently the pacifist-types who get us into 
war, because they start the process out by tolerating actions by others that 
turn into more serious actions, etc.  You know, the appeasers.  Are you an 
appeaser?

All I'm advocating is to set up a system which gives government-types a very 
stark choice: War or peace.  Then let them make that choice.  I predict they 
will choose peace.



Jim Bell
jimbell@pacifier.com

jim bell writes:

 > My impression is that it is frequently the pacifist-types who get us into 
 > war, because they start the process out by tolerating actions by others that 
 > turn into more serious actions, etc.  You know, the appeasers.  Are you an 
 > appeaser?

A quote from Donald Wetzel's book Pacifist:

The pacifist is often asked what he would do in the event the United
States were to be conquered by a hostile power.  The assumption on the
part of the questioner is almost always that we would simply assume
the proper position in which best to have our asses kicked.  I suggest
that anyone who believes that such would be the pacifist response to
the imposition in America of an oppressive, authoritarian
rule--foreign or domestic--should consult the prison authorities that
were in power when America's prisons were host to some six thousand
pacifists.  I am sure it will be found that we have not been
forgotten.

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