DCSB: Betting on the Future

If I can't wear a V2 PGP T shirt It ain't good enuf to attend... cheap lunch too

Charley


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>                 The Digital Commerce Society of Boston
>
>                               Presents
>
>                             Duane Hewitt
>                             Idea Futures
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>                       "Betting on the Future"
>
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>                        Tuesday, August 6, 1996
>                               12 - 2 PM
>                   The Downtown Harvard Club of Boston
>                     One Federal Street, Boston, MA
>
>
>Duane says:
>
>> I am a Molecular Biologist by trade but I am fascinated by all aspects of
>> science and technology and especially their long term ramifications. I am
>> completing my Master's Degree thesis as well as working full time at the
>> University of Massachusetts at Amherst. I have some part time work
>> maintaining Web pages and I have been involved with the Idea Futures Web
>> site from the very beginning. I also am currently working on a hypertext
>> reference on the biology of aging. Many of these interest can be accessed
>> from my home page at http://www.lucifer.com/~duane
>>
>> I will introduce the concept of Idea Futures which is a market in which
>> the odds of future events are set by betting. It is designed to reward
>> those who can accurately forecast future outcomes. It has been recognized
>> by the Austrian Broadcast System, and the Point Survey and mentioned in
>> _Wired_. I will discuss the implications of such a market as well as some
>> of the history behind it. I will also propose how a similar market could
>> be used to construct a market based voting system.
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>
>This meeting of the Digital Commerce Society of Boston will be held on
>Tuesday, August 6, 1996 from 12pm - 2pm at the Downtown Branch of the
>Harvard Club of Boston, One Federal Street. The price for lunch is $27.50.
>This price includes lunch, room rental, and the speaker's lunch. ;-).  The
>Harvard Club *does* have dress code: jackets and ties for men, and
>"appropriate business attire" for women.
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>We need to receive a company check, or money order, (or if we *really* know
>you, a personal check) payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston", by
>Saturday, August 3, or you won't be on the list for lunch.  Checks
>payable to anyone else but The Harvard Club of Boston will have to be sent
>back.
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>Checks should be sent to Robert Hettinga, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston,
>Massachusetts, 02131. Again, they *must* be made payable to "The Harvard
>Club of Boston".
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>If anyone has questions, or has a problem with these arrangements (We've had
>to work with glacial A/P departments more than once, for instance), please
>let us know via e-mail, and we'll see if we can work something out.
>
>Planned speakers for the following few months are:
>
> September   Tatsuo Tanaka    Some Economics of Digital Cash
> October     Philippe LeRoux  Stock Exchanges and the Web
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>We are actively searching for future speakers.  If you are in Boston on the
>first Tuesday of the month, and you would like to make a presentation to the
>Society, please send e-mail to the DCSB Program Commmittee, care of Robert
>Hettinga, rah@shipwright.com .
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>Looking forward to seeing you there!
>
>Cheers,
>Robert Hettinga
>Moderator,
>The Digital Commerce Society of Boston
>
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>Robert Hettinga (rah@shipwright.com)
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>Robert Hettinga (rah@shipwright.com)
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                      Charles E. Sparks
                    Booz Allen & Hamilton
         http://www.clark.net/pub/charley/index.htm
           In God we trust, All Others we encrypt
   Public Key at:  http://www.clark.net/pub/charley/cp_1.htm

At 10:30 PM -0400 7/15/96, Charley Sparks wrote:
> If I can't wear a V2 PGP T shirt It ain't good enuf to attend...

Thank you for your input.

>cheap
>lunch too

In light of the following .sig, I hope I'm forgiven if I'm caught
repressing a giggle or two...

>                       Charles E. Sparks
>                     Booz Allen & Hamilton
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>          http://www.clark.net/pub/charley/index.htm
>            In God we trust, All Others we encrypt
>    Public Key at:  http://www.clark.net/pub/charley/cp_1.htm

Seriously, Charley,

We're just a bunch of people who work downtown (for the most part) who're
interested in things financial and internet, with a focus on financial
cryptography (for the most part).

Most of us wear suits to work, so getting past the Harvard Club dress code
for lunch isn't that a big deal. Besides, the view is nice, and $27.50 once
a month (besides the obligatory rubber chicken, it pays for the speaker's
lunch, the room, and whatever A/V the speaker needs) never killed anyone
with a *job* (like, say, *yours*?). Hell, Charley, I bet even *your* boss
wears a suit to work. Or maybe your boss's boss... :-).

To quote Tom Wolfe quoting Chuck Yeager in "The Right Stuff" (in a
discussion of flying and driving fast and drinking and screwing and
hell-raising and flying, I believe), "I wouldn't recommend it, mind you,
but it *can* be done." Wearing a suit and talking crypto, I mean.

You ought to try it. It *can* be done. If people like Perry, and Duncan,
and Futplex, and Kent Borg, and Adam Shostack, and Carl Ellison and,
someday, Unicorn (who threatens to, just about every month, even though he
probably wears a suit already, wherever he is) can, you can, too.

<Sorry if I forgot any others. The point is, there are lots of cypherpunk
DCSB members. Of the hundred or so on the e-mail list, I bet 30 or so are
also subscribed to cypherpunks.>

Consider it an opportunity to see if the ol' interview suit fits. If it
doesn't, Charley, don't forget to save up for that next one. After all,
after working at a place like Booz Allen, it's all downhill, right?  The
next job you get recruited for may not come with that nifty clothing
allowance.

;-)

Cheers,
Bob Hettinga
Moderator,
The Digital Commerce Society of Boston





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Robert Hettinga (rah@shipwright.com)
e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"'Bart Bucks' are not legal tender."
                -- Punishment, 100 times on a chalkboard,
                       for Bart Simpson
The e$ Home Page: http://www.vmeng.com/rah/

Has anyone heard anythong about PGP 3.0?  Is it still due Real Soon Now?  Or 
might it be worthwhile to break out VC++ and do a port as a cpunks cooperative 
project?
Jonathan Wienke


"1935 will go down in history! For the first time a civilized nation has full 
gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the 
world will follow our lead in the future!"
--Adolf Hitler

"46.  The U.S. government declares a ban on the possession, sale, 
transportation, and transfer of all non-sporting firearms. A thirty (30) day 
amnesty period is permitted for these firearms to be turned over to the local 
authorities.  At the end of this period, a number of citizen groups refuse to 
turn over their firearms.  Consider the following statement:  I would fire upon 
U.S. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the U.S. 
government."
--The 29 Palms Combat Arms Survey  
http://www.ksfo560.com/Personalities/Palms.htm

1935 Germany = 1996 U.S.?

> Has anyone heard anythong about PGP 3.0?  Is it still due Real Soon
> Now?  Or might it be worthwhile to break out VC++ and do a port as a
> cpunks cooperative project?

As I've said, there is no PGP 3.0, there is only PGPlib.

We're trying to finish it as quickly as possible.  There are only a
few more functions that are required; we just need to make sure the
API is extensible enough to handle the new features we want to add
later.  As for the current status, I've started using the message
processing application for my every-day encryption/decryption.  It
works fairly well (there are a few weird states that still need to be
worked out).  I'm still working on the key management application, so
that isn't nearly as 'ready' to be seen.

Qustion: what do you want to "port"?  PGP 2.6.2?  You're joking,
right?  Do you know how difficult that would be?  Not to mention that
you'd never get a Windows look to it because of all the printf()'s
throughout the sucker.

We're doing the best that we can to get PGPlib finished.  But the more
people who send email asking "when is it going to be finished" the
less time we have to actually finish it (since we have to spend
precious time answering the email).

I hope this answers your question(s).

-derek