Clueless "Attachment converted" uses

At 6:48 AM 7/15/96, Gregory A Empey wrote:
>On Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:55:29 -0800 jim bell <jimbell@pacifier.com>
>writes:
>>At 10:59 AM 6/20/96 -0400, Intense wrote:
>>>
>>>does not matter - it will be renewed in the interest of the
>>government
>>>The goverment want's there backdoor...  would you expect less?
>>
>>As far as I know, patents can't be "renewed."  I've heard they can be
>>"re-issued," amended, but to my knowledge that doesn't extend their
>>term.
>>
>>Jim Bell
>>jimbell@pacifier.com
>>
>
>
>Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:UUE.DOC (WDBN/MSWD) (0000FAD8)

OK, I _usually_ delete these "Attachment converted" messages, which
(fortunately) deletes the attachment in my "Attachments" folder, but for
some reason this time I fired up my word processor and opened the
attachment.

All I found was this crap:

"Hey, im ready to seriously f*ck-up MCI for no apparent
reason, and im also giving credit card (and calling
card) #'s away for no apparent reason, just reply to
skitzo@juno.com."

I urge people to NOT use attachments when ordinary plain text will
obviously work. There's a time and a place for richly formatted messages, a
la MIME, but not on a mailing list with heterogeneous platforms, mailers,
and varying graphics capabilities. Think of our mailing list as being like
Usenet, where graphics messages and oddball formats are frowned upon
(except in the binaries groups, and a few of the non-English language
groups).

And especially not clueless nonsense like this call for "fucking up MCI."

--Tim May

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On a very similar note - could people who are using clear-text PGP 
signatures with mime use text/... instead of application/...; that way 
people without pgp will see the message text without having to mess with 
their mailcaps (that's the way text/* is supposed to work)

Simon

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At 6:01 AM -0700 7/15/96, Simon Spero wrote:
>On a very similar note - could people who are using clear-text PGP
>signatures with mime use text/... instead of application/...; that way
>people without pgp will see the message text without having to mess with
>their mailcaps (that's the way text/* is supposed to work)

It's kludgy, I agree, but that's the way the example PGP translator for our
mailer that some of us are using works right now. If someone rewrites that
part of it, I'm sure we'd all be happy to switch. Dunno if there's an easy
patch with ResEdit. (It's for the Mac.)

In my own case I used it to clearsign my first few posts here to avoid
somebody popping up and claiming a spoof. I don't plan to do it regularly.

David

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On Mon, 15 Jul 1996, David Sternlight wrote:

> At 6:01 AM -0700 7/15/96, Simon Spero wrote:
> >On a very similar note - could people who are using clear-text PGP
> >signatures with mime use text/... instead of application/...; that way
> >people without pgp will see the message text without having to mess with
> >their mailcaps (that's the way text/* is supposed to work)
> 
> It's kludgy, I agree, but that's the way the example PGP translator for our
> mailer that some of us are using works right now. If someone rewrites that
> part of it, I'm sure we'd all be happy to switch. Dunno if there's an easy
> patch with ResEdit. (It's for the Mac.)

I think Simon was referring to the obsolete draft that defined the content
type "application/pgp".  The multipart/signed content type, IMHO, is hardly
kludgy and is the best way to MIME encapsulate data.  "Application/pgp" is
definitely kludgy.

BTW, those of you who do use PGP/MIME signing software should tweak the
configuration a bit so there isn't an apostrophy in the MIME boundary.  This
makes it very difficult to verify the signature using metamail and possibly
other MIME interpreting programs.

- -- Mark

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