Re: Responding to Pre-dawn Unannounced Ninja Raids

At 03:49 PM 7/19/96 -0500, Igor Chudov @ home wrote:
>> 
>>      I may be a little nuts, but does it strike anyone else that a good 
>> self defense weapon against ninja raids would be a hand gernade? 
>> 
>
>Maybe not even a little:)
>
>I suggest wiring an anti-tank mine to your door every night. If 
>ninjas break in, everyone goes to hell. No need to wake up and be
>alert in sleep -- all will be done automatically. So before that
>ninja raid you will sleep better.


I've had a substantially better idea.  Hang carbon-fiber bundles from the 
ceiling, which are charged to about 10,000 volts when an intrusion is 
detected.  They'll glom onto anything conductive within their range, and 
anyone with the bad fortune to be breaking into the house at that moment 
_might_ live to regret it.  (resistors could be added to limit the current 
to non-fatal but exceedingly painful levels.

Jim Bell
jimbell@pacifier.com

jim bell wrote:
> At 03:49 PM 7/19/96 -0500, Igor Chudov @ home wrote:
> >>      I may be a little nuts, but does it strike anyone else that a good 
> >> self defense weapon against ninja raids would be a hand gernade? 
> >
> >Maybe not even a little:)
> >
> >I suggest wiring an anti-tank mine to your door every night. If 
> >ninjas break in, everyone goes to hell. No need to wake up and be
> >alert in sleep -- all will be done automatically. So before that
> >ninja raid you will sleep better.
> 
> I've had a substantially better idea.  Hang carbon-fiber bundles from the 
> ceiling, which are charged to about 10,000 volts when an intrusion is 
> detected.  They'll glom onto anything conductive within their range, and 
> anyone with the bad fortune to be breaking into the house at that moment 
> _might_ live to regret it.  (resistors could be added to limit the current 
> to non-fatal but exceedingly painful levels.

It the voltage is 10000 volts, it is always fatal, right? And if you set
good enough resistors, then the voltage for the human body itself would
be much less than 10000V -- most of the voltage will be taken by resistors
themselves.

Right?

	- Igor.

On Fri, 19 Jul 1996 ichudov@algebra.com wrote:

> 
> It the voltage is 10000 volts, it is always fatal, right? And if you set
> good enough resistors, then the voltage for the human body itself would
> be much less than 10000V -- most of the voltage will be taken by resistors
> themselves.
> 

Dammit Jim, he's a lawyer - not an engineer!

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On Fri, 19 Jul 1996, Igor Chudov @ home wrote:

> 
> It the voltage is 10000 volts, it is always fatal, right? And if you set
> good enough resistors, then the voltage for the human body itself would
> be much less than 10000V -- most of the voltage will be taken by resistors
> themselves.
> 
> Right?

Wrong. What kills is not voltage but current. That is why you can safely
recieve a static shock (on the order of thousands of volts, but
microamperes) and yet still be killed by ordinary AC power (110 volts
here, a whole lot of amps available :).

- --Elliot

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On Fri, 19 Jul 1996, jim bell wrote:

> 
> I've had a substantially better idea.  Hang carbon-fiber bundles from the 
> ceiling, which are charged to about 10,000 volts when an intrusion is 
> detected.  They'll glom onto anything conductive within their range, and 
> anyone with the bad fortune to be breaking into the house at that moment 
> _might_ live to regret it.  (resistors could be added to limit the current 
> to non-fatal but exceedingly painful levels.

Cutting off the power supply would render this method useless very
quickly. Oh, so you are going to use batteries? That "when an intrusion is
detected" part sounds rather interesting... Wouldn't be too hard to either
befuddle.

The point is:
	- You cannot be alert at all times.
	- Even if you can, you cannot cover all possibilities with a 100%
	ensurance of safety.

IOW, if a 'pre-dawn unannounced ninja raid' [sic] occurs on you, you are
pretty well beat, if only because the other side knows what they are doing
and you have no idea of their plans.

The only protection against lawlessness is not lawlessness, it is reason.

- -- Elliot

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On Sat, 20 Jul 1996, Elliot Lee wrote:
> 
> IOW, if a 'pre-dawn unannounced ninja raid' [sic] occurs on you, you are
> pretty well beat, if only because the other side knows what they are doing
> and you have no idea of their plans.
> The only protection against lawlessness is not lawlessness, it is reason.

     I'm probably starting to sound a little bellish on this, but that is 
why I suggested (only half in jest) the hand gernade. 

     A pyrrhic victory is still a victory.

     Of course I am a little nuts. 

Petro, Christopher C.
petro@suba.com <prefered for any non-list stuff>
snow@smoke.suba.com