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Was Jefferson a Better Cryptographer or Slaveowner?

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NODE 02083fb7Was Jefferson a Better Cryptographer or Slaveowner?
At 10:03 PM 7/22/96, Simon Spero wrote:
>On Mon, 22 Jul 1996, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
>> (BTW, Jefferson's slaves were inherited and an an entailment clause in
>> the will prevented him from freeing them during his lifetime. Not, of
>
>It would be hard to prove the case that this was the only thing
>preventing earlier manumission, but then the whole issue is one of the
>hardest things to understand about Jefferson; many of his closest friends
>were leaders in the abolitionist movement of the time, and it's almost
>impossible to believe that he didn't know slavery to be morally
>indefensible relatively early on in his political development. Guess it
>was just part of his programming he couldn't throw off.
>
>Still leaves him just ahead of FDR as best american president, but does
>drop him a way behind Paine for best  political theorist of the revolution

I agree that Jefferson was the best President. Thinker, writer, inventor,
cryptographer, teacher, farmer, founder of universities, and principal
author of the Declaration of Independence of course.

Yes, he owned slaves. Makes me rethink my position on slave-owning....

--Tim "Massa" May

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NODE c30731feSlavery: An Idea Whose Time Has Come
tcmay@got.net (Timothy C. May) wrote:

 > Yes, he owned slaves. Makes me rethink my position on
 > slave-owning....

Many perfectly good social models have been trashed by the
excesses of history.  Eugenics will most certainly always be
associated in the public mind with anti-Semitism, and slavery
with racism against Blacks.

Modern slavery, if there were such a thing, would probably be
pretty benevolent.  Anyone would be able to sell themselves into
slavery, and anyone would be able to buy their way out of it.

Slave owners would be responsible for a slave's health care,
education, recreation, pocket money, retirement income, and would
not be able to hit, verbally abuse, or work their slaves more
than a certain number of hours a day.  They would also not be
able to break up families.

Slaves would undoubtedly be able to vote, have their own powerful
union, and a track record for suing owners who didn't toe the
line.

Slavery would be a popular with homeless people, and with young
people forced to live in toxic home environments.  No parent
would want the public shame of having their child choose slavery
over living at home.

Many people might even prefer the lifestyle, with a guaranteed
standard of living absent any worries about job security, money,
or competition.  Just get up and put in an honest day's work, and
all your needs are taken care of.  The expense of downtime is the
owner's problem.

There would be certain vocations, like Cobol programming, which
would be especially suited to being performed by slaves.
Microsoft would probably own thousands of contented slaves, who
would sing happily as they wrote code.

"Manufactured 100% by slave labor" would be a cherished label,
and the people who bought such products would know that their
money was going to help eliminate many social ills, like
homelessness, unemployment, foster care, and revenues for the
public school system.  Kathie Lee Gifford would have to defend
herself for not owning enough slaves to make her proper
contribution to the community. 

But I digress... :)