Re: Oregon License Plate Site in the News Tonight!

Have bandwidth, will travel.

Server space available here. www.vertexgroup.com/dmv/ is good to go.
Database front ends a speciality.






At 05:57 AM 8/8/96 -0700, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>Looks like we're a little late. However, we can still grab the tape from 
>Oregon's DMV for $220. It would be an interesting excercise to try to get 
>these tapes from each state with similar provisions and put them all 
>online.
>
>Anyone want to donate server space?
>
>-Declan
>
>
>http://www.spiritone.com/cgi-bin/plates
>
>   Service has been temporarily suspended.
>   Don't panic, I just want to think about the situation for a while.    
>   Stay tuned. --Aaron
>
>---
>
>   There is a very real chance that it will be turned off. That's becuase
>   all of the people who hate it call the TV and Radio stations, the DMV,
>   and their elected representitives. All of the people who love it send
>   me email. As much as I appreciate hearing from all of you, sending me
>   email doesn't let anyone else know how you feel. If you want to keep
>   this service going, make your voices heard.
>
>
>
>On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Timothy C. May wrote:
>
>> 
>> Cypherpunks make the news again.
>> 
>> I'm watching the LA NBC news channel, and they report that the Oregon "look
>> up any license plate" Web site is causing a flap. Though apparently legal,
>> the critics admit, the Governor wants the material removed.
>> 
>> (Sounds like a good time to mirror it on some other sites, pronto!)
>> 
>> --Tim May
>> 
>> Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software!
>> We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed.
>> ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:----
>> Timothy C. May              | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money,
>> tcmay@got.net  408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero
>> W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA  | knowledge, reputations, information markets,
>> Licensed Ontologist         | black markets, collapse of governments.
>> "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>
>
>// declan@eff.org // I do not represent the EFF // declan@well.com //
>
>
>

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I agree that this project needed to be done to educate the public, but I
must say I'm glad my name isn't attached to it. 

To answer legitimate concerns about abuse, perhaps version 2 could make the
relevant http logs publicly available? So in addition to checking the
governor's son's driving record, you could check which other IP addresses
have been looking at the governor's son's driving record. Spider detection
and retaliation would also be nice.

(Of course this would have the side effect of increasing the visibility of
the anonymizer/canadianizer/exonizer services, which would not be a bad
thing.)

- -rich

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In article <Pine.GUL.3.95.960808151724.6575A-100000@Networking.Stanford.EDU>,
Rich Graves  <rich@c2.org> wrote:
> I agree that this project needed to be done to educate the public, but I
> must say I'm glad my name isn't attached to it. 
> 
> To answer legitimate concerns about abuse, perhaps version 2 could make the
> relevant http logs publicly available?

I'd be most proud to have my name associated with such a project.

I say, what we need is a little more abuse.  I say, a well-publicized
incident of abuse of the driver's license database can do more to
help the cause of privacy than any amount of intellectually compelling
debate.  Perhaps one horrible incident of abuse would ignite enough
public backlash to stop states from selling their databases at the
drop of a hat.

I say this in all seriousness.  Look at how much furor has been
raised from one little incident (the TWA flight, the Atlanta bombing)
which caused an absolutely insignificant loss of life (in the grand
picture).  Look at how much folks want to curb our freedom in response.

We have been shown all too many times how much a highly-publicized
case of abuse can be used to trample on our civil liberties.  It's
about time for us to wise up.  It's time to fight fire with fire.

No regrets,
-- Dave Wagner

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On 9 Aug 1996, David Wagner wrote:

> In article <Pine.GUL.3.95.960808151724.6575A-100000@Networking.Stanford.EDU>,
> Rich Graves  <rich@c2.org> wrote:
> > I agree that this project needed to be done to educate the public, but I
> > must say I'm glad my name isn't attached to it. 
> > 
> > To answer legitimate concerns about abuse, perhaps version 2 could make the
> > relevant http logs publicly available?
> 
> I'd be most proud to have my name associated with such a project.
> 
> I say, what we need is a little more abuse.  I say, a well-publicized
> incident of abuse of the driver's license database can do more to
> help the cause of privacy than any amount of intellectually compelling
> debate.  Perhaps one horrible incident of abuse would ignite enough
> public backlash to stop states from selling their databases at the
> drop of a hat.

We did this in California, remember? You just need to target someone who's
been on TV.

> We have been shown all too many times how much a highly-publicized
> case of abuse can be used to trample on our civil liberties.  It's
> about time for us to wise up.  It's time to fight fire with fire.

I quite agree. But make it a controlled burn. Log everything. Restrict bulk
downloads. You don't need to let the genie all the way out of the bottle to
say "look, a genie."

It might be fun to make the database open for a couple weeks, without a
caveat about logging, and then publish the logs. Allow reverse lookups,
i.e., who looked up my record.  A nice little dragnet of people who are
interested in invading your privacy. 

For the near-medium term, I am resigned to the fact that government is going
to collect personal information, and that it is going to leak out. I'm just
interested in full disclosure of the leaks, and who is benefiting from them. 

- -rich

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