Crypto Ban Talk @ G-7

Well, even tho Tim's language was hypothetical here's this item.  Was 
some of this on the cpunks and I missed it?  Very possible, & if so, 
sorry.

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In article <X6k0RD1w165w@tanda.on.ca>, marc@tanda.on.ca (Marc Thibault) 
wrote:

>     I picked up a rumor that the G-7 has endorsed a resolution calling
>     for international cooperation to control private encryption. Does
>     anybody have solid information?
>

They've been discussing it. The US and some others want it. The Japanese
and one other country won't go along. So far, talk but no action. Stay
tuned.

David [Sternlight that is  ....]

I have the text of the resolution passed by G-7 and Russia that moves
towards greater controls on crypto at: 
  http://www.eff.org/~declan/global/

-Declan


On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, The Prisoner (tm) wrote:

> Well, even tho Tim's language was hypothetical here's this item.  Was 
> some of this on the cpunks and I missed it?  Very possible, & if so, 
> sorry.
> 
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> 
> 
> In article <X6k0RD1w165w@tanda.on.ca>, marc@tanda.on.ca (Marc Thibault) 
> wrote:
> 
> >     I picked up a rumor that the G-7 has endorsed a resolution calling
> >     for international cooperation to control private encryption. Does
> >     anybody have solid information?
> >
> 
> They've been discussing it. The US and some others want it. The Japanese
> and one other country won't go along. So far, talk but no action. Stay
> tuned.
> 
> David [Sternlight that is  ....]
> 


// declan@eff.org // I do not represent the EFF // declan@well.com //

Declan McCullagh wrote:
> 
> I have the text of the resolution passed by G-7 and Russia that
> moves towards greater controls on crypto at:

I just have to wonder whether these people expect their measures to
really reduce terrorism, or if they simply expect to be able to
identify and imprison/kill all the terrorists so that terrorism can 
be eliminated like smallpox.

If the former, I'd say they're stupid, and if the latter, well, I'd
say they're stupid.

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>> I have the text of the resolution passed by G-7 and Russia that
>> moves towards greater controls on crypto at:

>I just have to wonder whether these people expect their measures to
>really reduce terrorism, or if they simply expect to be able to
>identify and imprison/kill all the terrorists so that terrorism can 
>be eliminated like smallpox.

I think their theory (like those of the gun and drug banners) is, if it
saves just one life, it is worth it. And if it doesn't, so what?

Mike M Nally chimes in with:
 
> Declan McCullagh wrote:
> > 
> > I have the text of the resolution passed by G-7 and Russia that
> > moves towards greater controls on crypto at:
> 
> I just have to wonder whether these people expect their measures to
> really reduce terrorism, or if they simply expect to be able to
> identify and imprison/kill all the terrorists so that terrorism can 
> be eliminated like smallpox.
> 
> If the former, I'd say they're stupid, and if the latter, well, I'd
> say they're stupid.

None of this has anything to do with terrorism, or any of the other
'horsemen'.  It has to do with the survival of national governments as
we presently know them.  These people are not completely stupid.

Totally secure, world-wide data networks WILL spell the end of national
governments.  This cannot be allowed.  The horsemen aspect is just there
for popular consumption.

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