NODE 7af51492Re: Internal Passports
Duncan Frissell <frissell@panix.com>Wed, 7 Aug 1996 08:59:42 +0800
At 12:06 AM 8/6/96 -0700, Marshall Clow wrote:
>I have found that promising to provide the necessary docs, and then failing
to do so, is the least confrontational and most effective way around this.
>
>"Delay is the deadliest form of denial"
Works for me as well. Likewise, self employment.
DCF
NODE 994f2900Re: Internal Passports
dlv@bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM)Wed, 7 Aug 1996 21:08:40 +0800
Duncan Frissell <frissell@panix.com> writes:
> At 12:06 AM 8/6/96 -0700, Marshall Clow wrote:
>
> >I have found that promising to provide the necessary docs, and then failing
> to do so, is the least confrontational and most effective way around this.
> >
> >"Delay is the deadliest form of denial"
>
> Works for me as well. Likewise, self employment.
That's the key word here - I don't think you need I-9 if you get paid on 1099
or equivalent. However for W-4 employment, the emplyer must send a signed I-9
to los federales. Otherwise the computer will flag this situation and they'll
get a letter asking why they pay wages to someone whose I-9 isn't on file.
I suppose when the person is "obviously" U.S.-born, the h.r. people might lie
and say on I-9 that they saw a document. Then again, I've seen folks who looked
and spoke more American (or German-Swiss, or Romanian) than most natives. :-)
By the way, another advantage of 1099 is that if you have your corporation,
you give its EIN, not your SSN to the clients, whom you don't necessarily
want to know your SSN.
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NODE 722f5d72Re: Internal Passports
Adam Shostack <adam@homeport.org>Thu, 8 Aug 1996 08:13:49 +0800
Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
| Duncan Frissell <frissell@panix.com> writes:
| > At 12:06 AM 8/6/96 -0700, Marshall Clow wrote:
| >
| > >I have found that promising to provide the necessary docs, and then failing
| > to do so, is the least confrontational and most effective way around this.
| > >
| > >"Delay is the deadliest form of denial"
| >
| > Works for me as well. Likewise, self employment.
|
| That's the key word here - I don't think you need I-9 if you get paid on 1099
| or equivalent. However for W-4 employment, the emplyer must send a signed I-9
This is correct; you don't need an I-9 to work when your wages
are reported via a 1099.
| to los federales. Otherwise the computer will flag this situation and they'll
| get a letter asking why they pay wages to someone whose I-9 isn't on file.
The privacy act statement on the I-9 instructions claims that the form
will be kept on file by the employer, who can be asked for it by the
INS. This 'we keep it on file' was confirmed by a contracting firm
with whom I did some work recently. It also has some newspeak that
has to be read to be believed.
ADam
--
"It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once."
-Hume
NODE 6758105bRe: Internal Passports
Alan Horowitz <alanh@infi.net>Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:40:50 +0800
You can act through a corportion; if you are using it as a true "alter
ego", it will be put aside by the courts and you will be assessed back
taxes, interest, and penalties. The employer will also.
If the person who pays you, has the _right_ (exercised or not) to tell
you how to do the work.... you are his employee. This is a summary, but a
good one.
NODE 500fd0fcRe: Internal Passports
dlv@bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM)Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:11:20 +0800
Alan Horowitz <alanh@infi.net> writes:
> You can act through a corportion; if you are using it as a true "alter
> ego", it will be put aside by the courts and you will be assessed back
> taxes, interest, and penalties. The employer will also.
>
> If the person who pays you, has the _right_ (exercised or not) to tell
> you how to do the work.... you are his employee. This is a summary, but a
> good one.
Alan, if you have access to Usenet, check out the draft misc.jobs.*
conventional wisdom FAQ that I posted a few days ago... It's probably
unexpired in sci.research.careers at most sites. Look for the 'IRS 20
questions'.
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