Oregon License Plate Site in the News Tonight!

Cypherpunks make the news again.

I'm watching the LA NBC news channel, and they report that the Oregon "look
up any license plate" Web site is causing a flap. Though apparently legal,
the critics admit, the Governor wants the material removed.

(Sounds like a good time to mirror it on some other sites, pronto!)

--Tim May

Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software!
We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed.
---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:----
Timothy C. May              | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money,
tcmay@got.net  408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero
W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA  | knowledge, reputations, information markets,
Licensed Ontologist         | black markets, collapse of governments.
"National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

Looks like we're a little late. However, we can still grab the tape from 
Oregon's DMV for $220. It would be an interesting excercise to try to get 
these tapes from each state with similar provisions and put them all 
online.

Anyone want to donate server space?

-Declan


http://www.spiritone.com/cgi-bin/plates

   Service has been temporarily suspended.
   Don't panic, I just want to think about the situation for a while.    
   Stay tuned. --Aaron

---

   There is a very real chance that it will be turned off. That's becuase
   all of the people who hate it call the TV and Radio stations, the DMV,
   and their elected representitives. All of the people who love it send
   me email. As much as I appreciate hearing from all of you, sending me
   email doesn't let anyone else know how you feel. If you want to keep
   this service going, make your voices heard.



On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Timothy C. May wrote:

> 
> Cypherpunks make the news again.
> 
> I'm watching the LA NBC news channel, and they report that the Oregon "look
> up any license plate" Web site is causing a flap. Though apparently legal,
> the critics admit, the Governor wants the material removed.
> 
> (Sounds like a good time to mirror it on some other sites, pronto!)
> 
> --Tim May
> 
> Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software!
> We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed.
> ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:----
> Timothy C. May              | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money,
> tcmay@got.net  408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero
> W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA  | knowledge, reputations, information markets,
> Licensed Ontologist         | black markets, collapse of governments.
> "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
> 
> 
> 
> 


// declan@eff.org // I do not represent the EFF // declan@well.com //

On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Declan McCullagh wrote:

> Looks like we're a little late. However, we can still grab the tape from
> Oregon's DMV for $220. It would be an interesting excercise to try to get
> these tapes from each state with similar provisions and put them all
> online.

This information has been available in Oregon for at least a couple of
years on CD.  I've always been concerned about the privacy implications of
that service -- perhaps that's the upside of this story?  That people do
give a rat's ass about their privacy?

I do think that the information should be able to be disseminated on the
Net as long as it's legal.


Rich
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On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Rich Burroughs wrote:

> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:50:57 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Rich Burroughs <richieb@teleport.com>
> To: cypherpunks@toad.com
> Subject: Re: Oregon License Plate Site in the News Tonight!
> 
> On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> 
> > Looks like we're a little late. However, we can still grab the tape from
> > Oregon's DMV for $220. It would be an interesting excercise to try to get
> > these tapes from each state with similar provisions and put them all
> > online.
> 
> This information has been available in Oregon for at least a couple of
> years on CD.  I've always been concerned about the privacy implications of
> that service -- perhaps that's the upside of this story?  That people do
> give a rat's ass about their privacy?
> 
> I do think that the information should be able to be disseminated on the
> Net as long as it's legal.
> 

Yes, but I can also see why its a bad idea to put somebody's VIN on the
Net... A clever terrorist would simply plant peices of metal with some
other loser's VIN's in their car before blowing up a building, (i.e. my
name's McVeigh (sp?), and this rider truck came from Oregon ;)... see my
point?

I do think that some information could be allowed (what your tag says,
your name, your mailing address), but what was put on he net was excesive.

 --Deviant
Horse racing *is* a stable business ...


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I wrote:
> > I do think that the information should be able to be disseminated on the
> > Net as long as it's legal.
> >

"The Deviant" wrote:
> Yes, but I can also see why its a bad idea to put somebody's VIN on the
> Net... A clever terrorist would simply plant peices of metal with some
> other loser's VIN's in their car before blowing up a building, (i.e. my
> name's McVeigh (sp?), and this rider truck came from Oregon ;)... see my
> point?

A clever terrorist could get the CD and do the same thing :)  They're
clever, right?

> I do think that some information could be allowed (what your tag says,
> your name, your mailing address), but what was put on he net was excesive.

That's a function of what information the State decides to make availble.
The fact that it's on the Net or not shoudln't be the issue.  If I can buy
it on a CD or march into a State office and get it, the same potential
harms exist.

I persoannly think this info is a privacy threat.  But if it's legal to
distribute in other forums, the Net should be no different, IMHO.  All Net
terrorist hype aside.


Rich
______________________________________________________________________
Rich Burroughs  richieb@teleport.com  http://www.teleport.com/~richieb
See my Blue Ribbon Page at http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/blueribbon
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On Fri, 9 Aug 1996, Rich Burroughs wrote:

> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 00:12:30 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Rich Burroughs <richieb@teleport.com>
> To: cypherpunks@toad.com
> Subject: Re: Oregon License Plate Site in the News Tonight!
> 
> I wrote:
> > > I do think that the information should be able to be disseminated on the
> > > Net as long as it's legal.
> > >
> 
> "The Deviant" wrote:
> > Yes, but I can also see why its a bad idea to put somebody's VIN on the
> > Net... A clever terrorist would simply plant peices of metal with some
> > other loser's VIN's in their car before blowing up a building, (i.e. my
> > name's McVeigh (sp?), and this rider truck came from Oregon ;)... see my
> > point?
> 
> A clever terrorist could get the CD and do the same thing :)  They're
> clever, right?
> 

Yes, well, true, but my point was that not _all_ of that information
should be available AT ALL.

> > I do think that some information could be allowed (what your tag says,
> > your name, your mailing address), but what was put on he net was excesive.
> 
> That's a function of what information the State decides to make availble.
> The fact that it's on the Net or not shoudln't be the issue.  If I can buy
> it on a CD or march into a State office and get it, the same potential
> harms exist.
> 
> I persoannly think this info is a privacy threat.  But if it's legal to
> distribute in other forums, the Net should be no different, IMHO.  All Net
> terrorist hype aside.
> 

I agree.  If its available, the net is as good a medium as any.

 --Deviant
You know you've been spending too much time on the computer when your
friend misdates a check, and you suggest adding a "++" to fix it.


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On Fri, 9 Aug 1996, The Deviant wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Rich Burroughs wrote:
> > I do think that the information should be able to be disseminated on the
> > Net as long as it's legal.

What does "legal" have to do with it?

> Yes, but I can also see why its a bad idea to put somebody's VIN on the
> Net... A clever terrorist would simply plant peices of metal with some
> other loser's VIN's in their car before blowing up a building, (i.e. my
> name's McVeigh (sp?), and this rider truck came from Oregon ;)... see my
> point?

Come on, we all know that McVeigh was set up by ZOG. It was conclusively
proven that the Oklahoma City Federal Building was bombed from the inside
with military explosives, a clear provocation.

> I do think that some information could be allowed (what your tag says,
> your name, your mailing address), but what was put on he net was excesive.

What do you mean, "allowed"? The market will decide. If you don't like what
someone has said about you, send Jim Bell an anonymous note. The market will
decide.

Fucking statist.

- -rich

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On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Timothy C. May wrote:

> Cypherpunks make the news again.
>
> I'm watching the LA NBC news channel, and they report that the Oregon "look
> up any license plate" Web site is causing a flap. Though apparently legal,
> the critics admit, the Governor wants the material removed.

It also hit the front page of the Oregonian (Portland's most stogy
newspaper).  They had a quote from the person who put up the page claiming
his reasons behind it was "that he did not like all those anonymous drivers
out there able to act however they wanted".

It will be interesting to see the state come out on the side of all those
anonymous drivers.