STEGO GUNS

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                          SANDY SANDFORT
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C'punks,

The following is from USA Today of last Friday:

	In a comprehensive study that may reshape the 
	gun control debate, researchers have found that 
	letting people carry concealed guns appears to
	sharply reduce killings, rapes and other violent
	crimes.

	The nationwide study [from the University of
	Chicago] found that violent crime fell after
	states made it legal to carry concealed handguns:
	*   Homicide, down 8.5%.
	*   Rape, down 5%.
	*   Aggravated assault, down 7%.
	...
	The drop isn't primarily caused by people 
	defending themselves with guns, says John Lott,
	the study's author.  Rather, criminals seem to 
	alter their behavior to avoid coming into contact
	with a person who might have a gun.

The official release of the study is scheduled for tomorrow.  
The study took two years and was peer reviewed.


 S a n d y

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> C'punks,
> 
> The following is from USA Today of last Friday:
> 
> 	In a comprehensive study that may reshape the 
> 	gun control debate, researchers have found that 
> 	letting people carry concealed guns appears to
> 	sharply reduce killings, rapes and other violent
> 	crimes.
> 
> 	The nationwide study [from the University of
> 	Chicago] found that violent crime fell after
> 	states made it legal to carry concealed handguns:
> 	*   Homicide, down 8.5%.
> 	*   Rape, down 5%.
> 	*   Aggravated assault, down 7%.
> 	...
> 	The drop isn't primarily caused by people 
> 	defending themselves with guns, says John Lott,
> 	the study's author.  Rather, criminals seem to 
> 	alter their behavior to avoid coming into contact
> 	with a person who might have a gun.
> 
> The official release of the study is scheduled for tomorrow.  
> The study took two years and was peer reviewed.
> 
> 
>  S a n d y

Correlation != causation. What are the figures on other crimes? I
presume they would have to have gone up, since the criminal element has
been deprived of it's "revenue" in this manner. Perhaps they simply
didn't have time for killing, raping and assulting; being too busy
lugging around their legally concealed handguns and pointing them at
shop-keepers.

-- 
"Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely  exercised for the good of its victims  
 may be the most  oppressive.  It may be better to live under  robber barons  
 than  under  omnipotent  moral busybodies,  The robber baron's  cruelty may  
 sometimes sleep,  his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who  
 torment us for own good  will torment us  without end,  for they do so with 
 the approval of their own conscience."    -   C.S. Lewis, _God in the Dock_ 
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                          SANDY SANDFORT
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C'punks,

On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Julian Assange wrote:

> Correlation != causation. What are the figures on other crimes?

I'm waiting for the official study itself, but the article did
say that the study showed a shift from violent crimes to property
offenses.  If so, that's a trade I'll make any day.  

I'll see if I can get a copy of the study when it is released.


 S a n d y

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On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Sandy Sandfort <sandfort@crl.com> wrote:
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>                          SANDY SANDFORT
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>
>C'punks,
>
>On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Julian Assange wrote:
>
>> Correlation != causation. What are the figures on other crimes?
>
>I'm waiting for the official study itself, but the article did
>say that the study showed a shift from violent crimes to property
>offenses.  If so, that's a trade I'll make any day.  
>
>I'll see if I can get a copy of the study when it is released.
>
>
> S a n d y
>
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In 1981, the city of Kennesaw, GA suffered 17 violent crimes and 55 burglaries. 
In 1982, Kennesaw passed an ordinance requiring all city residents to own a 
firearm, and there was only 1 violent crime and 19 burglaries. In 1983, Kennesaw 
experienced 3 violent crimes and 9 burglaries. I think that the cause-effect 
relationship is obvious.

Jonathan Wienke

"A conservative is a liberal who got mugged last night."
--Lee Rodgers

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On Wed, 7 Aug 1996 JonWienk@ix.netcom.com wrote:

> In 1981, the city of Kennesaw, GA suffered 17 violent crimes and 55 
> burglaries. 
> In 1982, Kennesaw passed an ordinance requiring all city residents to own a 

	Said ordinance being passed, as a protest against Elk Grove, IL
	passing an orinance, banning handguns.  Anybody know when Elk
	Grove revoked their ordinance?  Crime went down for six months
	there [ Elk Grove ] after the ban was passed, then it went up
	--- far surpassing previous crime levels, for all types of
	crime. 

        xan

        jonathon
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On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, jonathon <grafolog@netcom.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 7 Aug 1996 JonWienk@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>
>> In 1981, the city of Kennesaw, GA suffered 17 violent crimes and 55 
>> burglaries. 
>> In 1982, Kennesaw passed an ordinance requiring all city residents to own a 
>
>	Said ordinance being passed, as a protest against Elk Grove, IL
>	passing an orinance, banning handguns.  Anybody know when Elk
>	Grove revoked their ordinance?  Crime went down for six months
>	there [ Elk Grove ] after the ban was passed, then it went up
>	--- far surpassing previous crime levels, for all types of
>	crime. 

First of all, you are talking about Morton Grove, not Elk Grove.  Second of all, 
the ban was mostly ignored--the first year it was in effect, only 17 guns were 
turned in. The Morton Grove gun ban was not a statistically significant event.

Jonathan Wienke

"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore 
order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told 
there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that 
threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will 
pledge with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every 
man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenarios, individual rights 
will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to 
them by their world government."
--Henry Kissinger in an address to the Bilderberg organization meeting at Evian, 
France, May 21, 1992. Transcribed from a tape recording made by one of the Swiss 
delegates.

"A conservative is a liberal who got mugged last night."
--Lee Rodgers

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