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Re: More evidence that democracy is bunk

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NODE 74c32093Re: More evidence that democracy is bunk
At 3:11 8/2/96, Deranged Mutant wrote:

>If they were asked if they minded random searches of their bags and
>belongings or required to carry photo-ID wherever they went, to be
>presented on demand, would they still be willing?

You bet. I remember a war on drugs releated poll from a few years back in
which a majority supported warrantless searches of their homes.



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NODE e0f6ef1eRe: More evidence that democracy is bunk
Lucky Green wrote:

> At 3:11 8/2/96, Deranged Mutant wrote:
> 
> >If they were asked if they minded random searches of their bags and
> >belongings or required to carry photo-ID wherever they went, to be
> >presented on demand, would they still be willing?

> You bet. I remember a war on drugs releated poll from a few years 
> back in which a majority supported warrantless searches of their homes.

RAW was fond of pointing out that in spite of the current love of
democratic government, free societies are actually infrequent and
short-lived blips on the historical landscape.  

Something about basic human nature and "all you have to do is rock 
the boat a little and the people will beg the government to take their
rights away."

Since the government is usually in the best position to do any 
necessary cage-rattling, perpetual freedom is an illusory concept. 

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NODE c56e7789Re: More evidence that democracy is bunk
Lucky Green writes:

>At 3:11 8/2/96, Deranged Mutant wrote:
>
>>If they were asked if they minded random searches of their bags and
>>belongings or required to carry photo-ID wherever they went, to be
>>presented on demand, would they still be willing?
>
>You bet. I remember a war on drugs releated poll from a few years back in
>which a majority supported warrantless searches of their homes.
>

At last month's SAFE (crypto policy) conference, one of the
legislators mentioned that someone snuck the text of the
Fourth Amendment into the crime bill, and it was voted down
in committee.

(It would be nice to dig this out of a transcript, so it doesn't
become an urban legand.)

Martin Minow
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