NODE eb873b10Floating DataHaven
Vincent Cate <vince@offshore.com.ai>Fri, 16 Aug 1996 10:45:09 +0800
William Knowles <erehwon@c2.org>
>
> Something that I thought would make an excellent data haven would
> be older offshore oil platforms,
> [...]
> You have to wonder how cheap these could sell
> for just to get them off the oil companies hands?
A floating DataHaven is probably the way to get the ultimate in
freedom.
There is someone on Anguilla that bought a used floating oil platform for
$1 million. It is big enough for 200 people to live on. It is not here,
so I have not seen it.
There is someone else here who says that there are some really old ones
that you can get just for hauling them away. Some countries will not let
owners just sink them.
You can get Internet via radio links for reasonable prices. And via
satellite for almost affordable prices. When Bill Gates 900 satellites
get up there it should be very affordable.
-- Vince
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NODE b00b170dRe: Floating DataHaven
Vincent Cate <vince@offshore.com.ai>Fri, 16 Aug 1996 13:05:46 +0800
In the September 1996 Yahoo! Internet Life, page 11, Spencer Reiss
writes of Vince Cate:
> But his true dream is to take his whole set-up really offshore. "It
> would be interesting to have a nice big boat to travel around on," he
> says. "You know, the prices for satellite transmitters are really coming
> down. There's no real reason to be anywhere, anymore."
-- Vince
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NODE 65093cfcRe: Floating DataHaven
Enzo Michelangeli <enzo@ima.com>Fri, 16 Aug 1996 13:37:20 +0800
What about pirate attacks, acts of war from hostile countries etc.?
Actually, also being a sovereign state won't help much if you are small,
and I'm not referring to obvious dope-smuggling fronts like Noriega's
Panama: in the fifties, the 700-year old Republic of San Marino cancelled
plans of opening a casino after Italy sealed its border (the only border
San Marino has).
Enzo
On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Vincent Cate wrote:
>
> William Knowles <erehwon@c2.org>
> >
> > Something that I thought would make an excellent data haven would
> > be older offshore oil platforms,
> > [...]
> > You have to wonder how cheap these could sell
> > for just to get them off the oil companies hands?
>
> A floating DataHaven is probably the way to get the ultimate in
> freedom.
>
> There is someone on Anguilla that bought a used floating oil platform for
> $1 million. It is big enough for 200 people to live on. It is not here,
> so I have not seen it.
>
> There is someone else here who says that there are some really old ones
> that you can get just for hauling them away. Some countries will not let
> owners just sink them.
>
> You can get Internet via radio links for reasonable prices. And via
> satellite for almost affordable prices. When Bill Gates 900 satellites
> get up there it should be very affordable.
>
> -- Vince
>
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>
NODE 041129f2Billy boy's satellites [Was - Floating DataHaven]
Gary Howland <gary@systemics.com>Fri, 16 Aug 1996 20:47:45 +0800
Vincent Cate wrote:
> You can get Internet via radio links for reasonable prices. And via
> satellite for almost affordable prices. When Bill Gates 900 satellites
> get up there it should be very affordable.
... if a tad unrealiable?
The thought of 900 satelites in low orbit, all running NT, makes me
shudder. Brings a new meaning to the expression "OS crash".
What are cypherpunks thoughts on this? Who really believes it'll work?
Doesn't the low orbit part mean that the satellites will have a low life
expectancy, meaning a new launch every couple of days? (where's Gerald
Bull when you need him - oh yes, now I remember ...)
Gary
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NODE ee558968Re: Billy boy's satellites [Was - Floating DataHaven]
Vipul Ved Prakash <vipul@pobox.com>Mon, 19 Aug 1996 18:43:26 +0800
>
> Vincent Cate wrote:
>
> > You can get Internet via radio links for reasonable prices. And via
> > satellite for almost affordable prices. When Bill Gates 900 satellites
> > get up there it should be very affordable.
>
> ... if a tad unrealiable?
>
> The thought of 900 satelites in low orbit, all running NT, makes me
> shudder. Brings a new meaning to the expression "OS crash".
>
> What are cypherpunks thoughts on this? Who really believes it'll work?
>
> Doesn't the low orbit part mean that the satellites will have a low life
> expectancy, meaning a new launch every couple of days? (where's Gerald
> Bull when you need him - oh yes, now I remember ...)
The Iridium Project was pretty neat in this respect. I don't know what
is happenning with it as of now. It had some 230+ satellites, and some
smart routing techniques, if a satellite goes down.
Vipul
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NODE 0200e9e3Re: Billy boy's satellites [Was - Floating DataHaven]
Sandy Sandfort <sandfort@crl.com>Sat, 17 Aug 1996 05:16:54 +0800
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C'punks,
On Fri, 16 Aug 1996, Gary Howland wrote:
> Doesn't the low orbit part mean that the satellites will have a
> low life expectancy, meaning a new launch every couple of days?
"Low orbit" is used in a relative sense as compared to satellites
in geosynchronous orbit. The Teledesic satellites will orbit in
the 700km range--hundreds of kilometers above the wispy highest
reaches of earth's astmosphere. At that height, there will be
virtually no difference in orbital decay from that of
geosynchronous birds.
S a n d y
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NODE 5a4aa7c7Re: Floating DataHaven
Black Unicorn <unicorn@schloss.li>Sat, 17 Aug 1996 07:31:23 +0800
On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Vincent Cate wrote:
>
> William Knowles <erehwon@c2.org>
> >
> > Something that I thought would make an excellent data haven would
> > be older offshore oil platforms,
> > [...]
> > You have to wonder how cheap these could sell
> > for just to get them off the oil companies hands?
>
> A floating DataHaven is probably the way to get the ultimate in
> freedom.
Disagree strongly. Unless you were willing to arm the platfom (a
proposition which aproaches the feasibility of say SPECTER in James Bond
films) you are much more vulnerable.
> There is someone on Anguilla that bought a used floating oil platform for
> $1 million. It is big enough for 200 people to live on. It is not here,
> so I have not seen it.
>
> There is someone else here who says that there are some really old ones
> that you can get just for hauling them away. Some countries will not let
> owners just sink them.
>
> You can get Internet via radio links for reasonable prices. And via
> satellite for almost affordable prices. When Bill Gates 900 satellites
> get up there it should be very affordable.
>
> -- Vince
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
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