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> > deserves to be shipped to sweden where they shall be 
> > made into cheese by nuns.

At 04:40 PM 9/1/96 DST, Johnny Eriksson wrote:>
> No thanks, we do not want them.

You are Swedish?

I heard on talk.politics.guns somebody say that in Sweden they 
had banned knives with a sharp point at the end, and were going 
to ban sharp knives altogether.  I think he was just engaging in 
hyperbole, that he really meant that gun control in Sweden was 
unreasonably strict, but on reflection I am not sure.

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"James A. Donald" <jamesd@echeque.com>, writes:
>I heard on talk.politics.guns somebody say that in Sweden they
>had banned knives with a sharp point at the end, and were going
>to ban sharp knives altogether.  I think he was just engaging in
>hyperbole, that he really meant that gun control in Sweden was
>unreasonably strict, but on reflection I am not sure.
>

In a survey conducted in Sweden a few years ago, 50% of Swedish
households had access to guns (generally military service weapons
and sporting shotguns). Guns are, however, licensed and regulated,
and seldom used in crimes. Licenses for "personal protection" are
almost unobtainable. At least one military officer was court martialed
when his service revolver was stolen from his automobile.

The most significant "mass murderer" crimes in Sweden (one last
year and one in the 1970's) were caused by people who used their
legally-obtained military weapons.

Martin Minow (ex-resident of Sweden)
minow@apple.com

"James A. Donald" <jamesd@echeque.com>, writes:
 >I heard on talk.politics.guns somebody say that in Sweden they
 >had banned knives with a sharp point at the end, and were going
 >to ban sharp knives altogether.  I think he was just engaging in
 >hyperbole, that he really meant that gun control in Sweden was
 >unreasonably strict, but on reflection I am not sure.

There is a law in Sweden, some 5 years old, against carrying
'dangerous devices' (hunting knives, Ninja stars etc) in 'public
places' (unless you are a carpenter, electrician or some such
going about your business). It's okay to carry a knife when
going fishing/hunting or sitting on your terrace carving totem poles.
It's only a misdemeanour and might be punished with a fine,
but usually the cops just use the law to disarmour street gangs
on the spot. The effects of the law are dubious. Knives have come
into fashion among teenagers after this legislation (but not as
a consequence of it, I think).

Asgaard

!  "James A. Donald" <jamesd@echeque.com>, writes:
!  >I heard on talk.politics.guns somebody say that in Sweden they
!  >had banned knives with a sharp point at the end, and were going
!  >to ban sharp knives altogether.  I think he was just engaging in
!  >hyperbole, that he really meant that gun control in Sweden was
!  >unreasonably strict, but on reflection I am not sure.
! 
! There is a law in Sweden, some 5 years old, against carrying
! 'dangerous devices' (hunting knives, Ninja stars etc) in 'public
! places' (unless you are a carpenter, electrician or some such
! going about your business). It's okay to carry a knife when
! going fishing/hunting or sitting on your terrace carving totem poles.
! It's only a misdemeanour and might be punished with a fine,
! but usually the cops just use the law to disarmour street gangs
! on the spot. The effects of the law are dubious. Knives have come
! into fashion among teenagers after this legislation (but not as
! a consequence of it, I think).

In California, it's a felony to merely *own* a Ninja star.  It's a
felony to carry a *concealed* knife, but carrying it openly in a 
holster is legal.  It's a felony for most people to carry a 
concealed loaded handgun on the street only on a *second* offense.
It'a a felony to merely *own* a switchblade, brass knuckles, etc.
Do our weapons laws sound strange?  Are many of our weapons laws
stricter than countries like Sweden?  Yes!

On Mon, 2 Sep 1996, Asgaard wrote:

>  "James A. Donald" <jamesd@echeque.com>, writes:
>  >I heard on talk.politics.guns somebody say that in Sweden they
>  >had banned knives with a sharp point at the end, and were going
>  >to ban sharp knives altogether.  I think he was just engaging in
>  >hyperbole, that he really meant that gun control in Sweden was
>  >unreasonably strict, but on reflection I am not sure.
> 
> There is a law in Sweden, some 5 years old, against carrying
> 'dangerous devices' (hunting knives, Ninja stars etc) in 'public
> places' (unless you are a carpenter, electrician or some such
> going about your business). It's okay to carry a knife when
> going fishing/hunting or sitting on your terrace carving totem poles.
> It's only a misdemeanour and might be punished with a fine,
> but usually the cops just use the law to disarmour street gangs
> on the spot. The effects of the law are dubious. Knives have come
> into fashion among teenagers after this legislation (but not as
> a consequence of it, I think).


This mirrors D.C.'s concealed weapon law.

A screwdriver is a weapon if you are carrying it for that purpose (i.e. if
the cop thinks he wants to arrest you) but a tool if you are carrying it
for that purpose (i.e., if you are wearing an expensive suit and look
non-ethnic).

> 
> Asgaard
> 

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"James A. Donald" <jamesd@echeque.com> writes:

> > > deserves to be shipped to sweden where they shall be
> > > made into cheese by nuns.
>
> At 04:40 PM 9/1/96 DST, Johnny Eriksson wrote:>
> > No thanks, we do not want them.
>
> You are Swedish?
>
> I heard on talk.politics.guns somebody say that in Sweden they
> had banned knives with a sharp point at the end, and were going
> to ban sharp knives altogether.  I think he was just engaging in
> hyperbole, that he really meant that gun control in Sweden was
> unreasonably strict, but on reflection I am not sure.

I heard from a reliable source that the Swedish bikini team opposes GAK.

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