Crypto and six yr old sex perverts: Project Electric Potatoes [CRYPTO]

Using crypto may be required to keep ya outta jail, given the guberment has
gone so far low as to "route out this six year old sex pervert busy kissing
the girls." (Quoted for emphasis.)

I wonder when sexual harassment will become a sex offence.  Are the red
sashed sex cores of Orwell's 1984 around the corner?

I wonder if he will need to register with the sheriffs office in any towns he
moves into as a sex offender - or has that law not passed yet?

Soon I believe our communications will be turned against us - as I am sure I
will hear about this one in the future....

Crypto can help us from the all intrusive guberment - it is far to big.

Hence a new project for us all:  Multicast Crypto referred to as Electric
Potatoes as mashed up potatoes are hard to put back together.

Purpose:

Already we are seeing problems for speech on the internet (see radikal
postings - though they are a bit fruity IMHO.)  And it sounds like the law in
one country is going to be very interested in arresting people in another.

Hence, perhaps we need a crypto system (including human procedures and fail
safes) for community discussions.

Crypto is very much one to one right now, but can we implement a crypto for
wide distribution to a very defined set of people?

This should be useful in commerce too... like CC of mail to others, etc.

Problem Definition Time:

Who will be responsible for allowing a member into the community?  (And all
the other trust issues...)

The software to implement the community must be available on multiple
platforms like UNIX, Windoze, Macintosh, NeXT, etc.

How do we over come the problems of storage - should the messages remain
encyphered at all times in local storage of a member in case of a knock on
the door, requiring the user to use the software to read, write, store, and
organize messages.

Is it even possible to overcome the human turncoat factor?  Can we protect
them as well as us from coercian, black mail, seizure, or defection?

Is this even possible, because we are looking for the freedom to speak, yet
nobody will be able to hear us!!!

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Method of discussion:

Since we will all hopefully have many ideas and comments on this exercise,may
I provide a protocal:

Please have Project Electric Potatoes in the subject heading - some of us use
the delete key quite freely and don't want to accidently remove your valued
comments and ideas.

Should the message contain a problem definition, please have Problem in the
subject.

Should the message contain an answer please have Answer in the subject.

Should the message contain a rant, please have Rant in the subject.

I leave it to the writer to include [CRYPTO] in the header....

Thank You All, and I hope we get a great discussion going on here.

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On Sat, 28 Sep 1996 Scottauge@aol.com wrote:

> Already we are seeing problems for speech on the internet (see radikal
> postings - though they are a bit fruity IMHO.)  And it sounds like the law in
> one country is going to be very interested in arresting people in another.
> 
> Hence, perhaps we need a crypto system (including human procedures and fail
> safes) for community discussions.
> 
> Crypto is very much one to one right now, but can we implement a crypto for
> wide distribution to a very defined set of people?
> 
> This should be useful in commerce too... like CC of mail to others, etc.
> 
> Problem Definition Time:
> 
> Who will be responsible for allowing a member into the community?  (And all
> the other trust issues...)

This is one of the main problems with a system like this.  It would be very
hard to prove that a pseudonym isn't a fed.  Rather than restricting
communication to just a few people, everyone should be able to participate and
use a nym.  This would make arrests very difficult.  I think it is inevitable
that the communications would eventually be leaked to a TLA.  You might want
to look for information on PGPdomo.  This does just about everything you've
described.

Mark
- -- 
PGP encrypted mail prefered.
Key fingerprint = d61734f2800486ae6f79bfeb70f95348
http://www.voicenet.com/~markm/

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Scottauge@aol.com wrote:
> Using crypto may be required to keep ya outta jail, given the
> guberment has gone so far low as to "route out this six year old sex
> pervert busy kissing the girls." (Quoted for emphasis.)
> I wonder when sexual harassment will become a sex offence.  Are the
> red sashed sex cores of Orwell's 1984 around the corner?

[remaining text and technical-related discussion deleted]

This post is a perfect example of why you'd need a comprehensive 
definition of how to use the "[CRYPTO]" string in subject headers.

Could I suggest:

1. [CRYPTO] at the extreme left for actual technical discussion (with
   examples and math, probably).
2. [CRYPTO] elsewhere in the subject line, to indicate crypto
   technically-related discussion without examples and math, as in the
   end of the Project Electric Potatoes posting.
3. [CRYPTO] nowhere in the subject line for all else.