Re: ... subversive leftists

At 11:23 AM 9/5/96, Asgaard wrote:
>On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>
>> The German Generalbundesanwaltschaft (Chief Federal Prosecutor's
>> office) has "advised" the Internet providers to block access to
>
>> "Radikal" (http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/radikal) is a publication
>> from the radical left that is illegal in Germany, but not in
>> the Netherlands.
>
>This is amazing. Without defending the German stand on the Revisionist
>crap, that part is at least understandable in a historical context
>(their sense of guilt for the unfortunate developments in the 30's
>and 40's etc). But a quick overview of the contents of Radikal gives the
>impression of an ordinary leftist zine, defining the outlawing of it as
>pure political censorship in a Western 'democracy'. I'm truly surprised.

Leftists are despicable. They steal our money, they corrupt our politics,
they nationalized our industries, they subvert our ideals, and they
undermine our national will.

The Democratic People's German Reich is fully justified in cutting off
contacts with subversive radical publications in Jew-dominated nations like
Holland.

As Reichskommander Schmidt points out: "The citizen-units who access
foreign Web sites will be rounded up and disposed of like the vermin they
are. We cannot allow the Revisionists and Leftists to triumph. We will send
them to the showers."

Heil Freeh!

--Klaus

I hope this one was ironic.

> The Democratic People's German Reich is fully justified in cutting off
> contacts with subversive radical publications in Jew-dominated nations like
> Holland.
> 
> As Reichskommander Schmidt points out: "The citizen-units who access
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
But this one is tasteless and insulting even if it was 
meant ironic.

-stephan

In <Pine.LNX.3.94.960909125148.16761A-100000@blau.pin.de>, on 09/09/96 at 12:53 PM,
   Stephan Schmidt <schmidt@pin.de> said:


>I hope this one was ironic.

>> The Democratic People's German Reich is fully justified in cutting off
>> contacts with subversive radical publications in Jew-dominated nations like
>> Holland.
>> 
>> As Reichskommander Schmidt points out: "The citizen-units who access
>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>But this one is tasteless and insulting even if it was 
>meant ironic.

If the boot fits.......


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Stephan Schmidt wrote:
> I hope this one was ironic.
> The Democratic People's German Reich is fully justified in cutting off
> contacts with subversive radical publications in Jew-dominated nations 
> like Holland.
> As Reichskommander Schmidt points out: "The citizen-units who access
> But this one is tasteless and insulting even if it was
> meant ironic.
> -stephan

Just a note: 'Jew' when used as an adjective is considered demeaning and 
offensive. One should use 'Jewish' instead.

Timothy C. May wrote:
> 
> At 11:23 AM 9/5/96, Asgaard wrote:

> Leftists are despicable. They steal our money, they corrupt our politics,
> they nationalized our industries, they subvert our ideals, and they
> undermine our national will.
> The Democratic People's German Reich is fully justified in cutting off
> contacts with subversive radical publications in Jew-dominated nations like
> Holland.
> As Reichskommander Schmidt points out: "The citizen-units who access
> foreign Web sites will be rounded up and disposed of like the vermin they
> are. We cannot allow the Revisionists and Leftists to triumph. We will send
> them to the showers."
> Heil Freeh!
> --Klaus

OK, I take the above as a sarcastic one.

I took a longer view at the "to be blocked"-sites and to the
declearation
of the prosecutor. 

After all, I found the following facts: 
1.) The mentioned URLs DO contain material, which is <free translation>
"description and tolerating/praising of a terroristic act", describing
the 
sabotage of a public railroad-line by using means of inflammables and 
reprogramming railroad-signs. They also used some
"explosive-warning"-signs 
in order to simulate a possible positioned bomb.

2.) The aforementioned IS a felony according to ruling german law.

3.) It is NOT depending if these articles are Leftist's, Rightist's or
else. According to Germand Law, the Attorney General is in charge for 
ANY extremistic/terroristic contents of pamphlets, books, or any other
source of information. 

4.) As you might know, we had a very bad time dealing with 
Leftist-Terrorists some 10-20 years ago. Therefore I can understand, 
that there exists a certain "oversensibility" dealing with any form
of public terror.  

5.) The "advice", given to the german ISPs, is IMO a very poor try to
transfer ruling law to the "new medium", which is, as we all know and
still try to improve, beyond control of governmental agencies.
As soon as our stupid politicians will be aware of what the net really
is (which should take 2-4 years) they will understand also, that 
pressing ISPs to blocking sites is no way of dealing with the problem.

6.) I personally think, that every individual has the right to gain 
access to every source of information, in order to build a opinion
on their own.

7.) CUT THAT SHOWER SHIT! I can't take it anymore - all the time
through school and now I'm grown up and still have to deal with this 
shit, even by Herr May ;-).

That's what I think - come and beat me up ;-)

Cheers Moe!
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>"description and tolerating/praising of a terroristic act", describing
>the 
>sabotage of a public railroad-line by using means of inflammables and 
>reprogramming railroad-signs. They also used some
>"explosive-warning"-signs 
>in order to simulate a possible positioned bomb.

Uh? Their sabotage "tutorial" is very careful about not causing
danger to humans. Where did you see any "explosive-warning" signs?

As long as there is no English translation available, please be exact
when posting excerpts.

Publishing texts doesn't destroy any railway signals. Some people
do; and IMHO everyone must have the right to inform themselves
how stupid those people are.

BTW, people say that there are much better descriptions of the
railway system in the legal literature which of course could be
used by saboteurs as well.


ObCypherpunks: The "Radikal" staff encrypted their data with the
export version of PCSECURE which uses 32 bit keys. All files have
been decrypted by the BSI. Now they are using PGP.

Ulf Moeller wrote:
 
> Uh? Their sabotage "tutorial" is very careful about not causing
> danger to humans. Where did you see any "explosive-warning" signs?

Correct. One the one hand, they promote not to cause any harm to people.
On the other hand, check out the following: 

Inflamable sets:
http://www.serve.com/spg/154/96.html

Explosive warnings:
http://www.serve.com/spg/154/92.html

> As long as there is no English translation available, please be exact
> when posting excerpts.

I've tried to be as close as possible.
 
> Publishing texts doesn't destroy any railway signals. Some people
> do; and IMHO everyone must have the right to inform themselves
> how stupid those people are.

Agreed.

Cheers Moe!