Newsgroup proposal: misc.anonymous

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In an effort to get anonymity and message pools more widespread, I think it
would be a good idea to establish a newsgroup for anonymous message pools that
would get the same distribution as any other newsgroup in the "big 8".  The
"misc" hierarchy is probably the best place for such a newsgroup since it
already carries groups like "misc.misc" and "misc.test".  Does anyone have any
suggestions or objections?

Mark
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At 10:51 pm -0400 9/25/96, Mark M. wrote:
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> In an effort to get anonymity and message pools more widespread, I think it
> would be a good idea to establish a newsgroup for anonymous message pools
>that
> would get the same distribution as any other newsgroup in the "big 8".  The
> "misc" hierarchy is probably the best place for such a newsgroup since it
> already carries groups like "misc.misc" and "misc.test".  Does anyone
>have any
> suggestions or objections?

I do know that there was an alt.anonymous.messages, or some such. Haven't
looked at it lately, but I don't remember too much traffic on it...

Cheers,
Bob Hettinga

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On Thu, 26 Sep 1996, Robert Hettinga wrote:

> I do know that there was an alt.anonymous.messages, or some such. Haven't
> looked at it lately, but I don't remember too much traffic on it...

It is still active.  However, there are many people who do not receive the
alt.* groups and those who do may only receive newsgroups "approved" by
the news admin.  It is much more difficult to restrict distribution of
newsgroups carried by most major news feeds.  Also, some NNTP servers may
expire alt groups faster than the other hierarchies which is very undesirable
for message pools.

Mark
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At 7:47 pm -0400 9/26/96, Mark M. wrote:
> It is still active.  However, there are many people who do not receive the
> alt.* groups and those who do may only receive newsgroups "approved" by
> the news admin.  It is much more difficult to restrict distribution of
> newsgroups carried by most major news feeds.  Also, some NNTP servers may
> expire alt groups faster than the other hierarchies which is very undesirable
> for message pools.

It seems that if newsgroup RFC and the whole rigamarole of newsgroup voting
was set up, there would be enough people -- on this list alone, probably --
who would be interested enough in the idea to at least vote (publically)
for it. I certainly would, just to see what happens.

Of course, that means that someone *else* ;-) has to actually put the train
on the track, much less lay the rails, which, as usual, is the main problem
here. If we had some ham, we could have some ham and eggs, if we had some
eggs. If you  lived here, you'd be home now. And so forth.

Same as it ever was.

Cheers,
Bob Hettinga

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Robert Hettinga (rah@shipwright.com)
e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"'Bart Bucks' are not legal tender."
                -- Punishment, 100 times on a chalkboard,
                       for Bart Simpson
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On Fri, 27 Sep 1996, Robert Hettinga wrote:

> It seems that if newsgroup RFC and the whole rigamarole of newsgroup voting
> was set up, there would be enough people -- on this list alone, probably --
> who would be interested enough in the idea to at least vote (publically)
> for it. I certainly would, just to see what happens.
> 
> Of course, that means that someone *else* ;-) has to actually put the train
> on the track, much less lay the rails, which, as usual, is the main problem
> here. If we had some ham, we could have some ham and eggs, if we had some
> eggs. If you  lived here, you'd be home now. And so forth.
> 
> Same as it ever was.

You're forgetting that "Cypherpunks write RFD's".  I'll write up a formal
Request For Discussion in my copious spare time.  I have no experience in the
newsgroup creation process, but it is well documented in the
news.announce.newgroups FAQ's.

Mark
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"Mark M." <markm@voicenet.com> writes:

> In an effort to get anonymity and message pools more widespread, I think it
> would be a good idea to establish a newsgroup for anonymous message pools that
> would get the same distribution as any other newsgroup in the "big 8".  The
> "misc" hierarchy is probably the best place for such a newsgroup since it
> already carries groups like "misc.misc" and "misc.test".  Does anyone have any
> suggestions or objections?

This sounds like a good idea.  I would certainly vote for such a news
group.  Should the name be misc.anonymous or misc.anonymous.messages?
Are alt.anonymous and alt.anonymous.messages basically to different
newsgroups for exactly the same purpose, or is there some difference
between them.

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On Thu, 26 Sep 1996, John Anonymous MacDonald wrote:

> This sounds like a good idea.  I would certainly vote for such a news
> group.  Should the name be misc.anonymous or misc.anonymous.messages?
> Are alt.anonymous and alt.anonymous.messages basically to different
> newsgroups for exactly the same purpose, or is there some difference
> between them.

This is what's listed in the newsgroups file:

alt.anonymous		alt!  Who goes there?
alt.anonymous.messages	An anonymous message pool newgroup, whatever that is.

Alt.anonymous is just another content-free, basically dead newsgroup.  Alt.
anonymous.messages is the group used for message pools.  Since the general
rule for naming newsgroups is to use dots only for designating a lower group
hierarchy.  misc.anonymous-messages is probably a better name, since there is
no misc.anonymous.* newsgroup hierarchy.

Mark
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"Mark M." <markm@voicenet.com> writes:
> In an effort to get anonymity and message pools more widespread, I think it
> would be a good idea to establish a newsgroup for anonymous message pools tha
> would get the same distribution as any other newsgroup in the "big 8".  The
> "misc" hierarchy is probably the best place for such a newsgroup since it
> already carries groups like "misc.misc" and "misc.test".  Does anyone have an
> suggestions or objections?

It should be under misc.activism: misc.activism.anonymity or even m.a.privacy.

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