Re: Hallam-Baker demands more repudiations or he'll write!

At 08:33 PM 9/23/96 -0700, tcmay@got.net (Timothy C. May) wrote:
>At 2:10 AM 9/24/96, hallam@vesuvius.ai.mit.edu wrote:
>
>>like Markof are somewhat more responsible. This is not going to stop me
>>from producing an op-ed piece linkiing the net libertarians to assasination
>>politics unless I hear a few more repudiations of Bell's ideas. If you
>>don't very clearly reject his murderous ideas you are going to regret it
>>just as the left regreted having the USSR or the RAF associated with them.
>
>I for one don't respond well to extortion threats, so write your damned
article.

Anyone who mistakes the lack of "repudiations" for AP on the list for some
kind of tacit approval is not getting the whole picture, IMHO.  

Is this how journalists do their research nowadays -- "give me some info or
I'll write something really bad about you that you'll regret?"  Cool.  I
guess I thought there might still be some kind of pursuit of the truth
involved.

I personally don't have the time or energy to contribute to the AP threads.
That != approval for the idea.

I hope you include your above quote in your piece.



Rich


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In message <3.0b24.32.19960924064658.006b3540@mail.teleport.com>, Rich Burrough
s writes:
>At 08:33 PM 9/23/96 -0700, tcmay@got.net (Timothy C. May) wrote in response to PH-B:
>>I for one don't respond well to extortion threats, so write your damned
>>article.

	I agree; PH-B is commiting a bunch of fallacies here and tarring
all cypherpunks with the same brush as Jim Bell just because they haven't
repudiated Assasination Politics is just being obnoxious.

>I personally don't have the time or energy to contribute to the AP threads.
>That != approval for the idea.

	Ditto; I could spend time analysing AP, but life's too short to waste
it on refuting everything I disagree with in detail.

	Derek "who is _not_ Jim" Bell

On Tue, 24 Sep 1996, Rich Burroughs wrote:

> <AP stuff>
> Anyone who mistakes the lack of "repudiations" for AP on the list for some
> kind of tacit approval is not getting the whole picture, IMHO.  
> 
> Is this how journalists do their research nowadays -- "give me some info or
> I'll write something really bad about you that you'll regret?"  Cool.  I
> guess I thought there might still be some kind of pursuit of the truth
> involved.
> 
> I personally don't have the time or energy to contribute to the AP threads.
> That != approval for the idea.
> 
> I hope you include your above quote in your piece.
> 

Amen to that.  Add that at least one lawyer (and former prosecutor) on 
the list is confident that successful prosecutions will ensue is AP ever 
gets off the ground.  And yes, I've read Jim Bell's manifesto.  The fact 
that no lawyer has dissected it from a legal standpoint has been used by 
Mr. Bell as support for the propostion that it is legal.  As many 
professional crytographers/computer security experts/etc. on the list 
rightly say when free work is demanded of them:  pay me my rate and I'll 
do the analysis.

EBD 



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I guess the final word on assasination politics would be obvious:

It's widely believed that the New Orleans Mafia (the source of my recent
statement about body decomposition in Louisiana swamps) was a prime driver
in the assasination of the late President John F. Kennedy.

I think it's fairly safe to say that having done this didn't do them a
damn bit of good. It didn't do anyone else a damn bit of good.

The world remained just as corrupt as it always was.

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Phil Fraering <pgf@acadian.net> writes:
> It's widely believed that the New Orleans Mafia (the source of my recent
> statement about body decomposition in Louisiana swamps) was a prime driver
> in the assasination of the late President John F. Kennedy.
> 
> I think it's fairly safe to say that having done this didn't do them a
> damn bit of good. It didn't do anyone else a damn bit of good.

JFK deserved to die.

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On Wed, 25 Sep 1996, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:

> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 96 13:40:17 EDT
> From: "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" <dlv@bwalk.dm.com>
> To: cypherpunks@toad.com
> Subject: Re: Hallam-Baker demands more repudiations or he'll write!
> 
> Phil Fraering <pgf@acadian.net> writes:
> > It's widely believed that the New Orleans Mafia (the source of my recent
> > statement about body decomposition in Louisiana swamps) was a prime driver
> > in the assasination of the late President John F. Kennedy.
> > 
> > I think it's fairly safe to say that having done this didn't do them a
> > damn bit of good. It didn't do anyone else a damn bit of good.
> 
> JFK deserved to die.
> 

Wile i neither agree nor disagree with your point, it does seem a bit
irrelavant, but thats just MHO.

 --Deviant
If you look rather casual with the knife when you flick it open, people
don't like it.
                -- Gerry Youghkins

The Deviant <deviant@pooh-corner.com> writes:
> > > It's widely believed that the New Orleans Mafia (the source of my recent
> > > statement about body decomposition in Louisiana swamps) was a prime drive
> > > in the assasination of the late President John F. Kennedy.
> > >
> > > I think it's fairly safe to say that having done this didn't do them a
> > > damn bit of good. It didn't do anyone else a damn bit of good.
> >
> > JFK deserved to die.
>
> Wile i neither agree nor disagree with your point, it does seem a bit
> irrelavant, but thats just MHO.

Well - this thread has very little crypto-relevance (AP itself has
questionable crypto-relevance, IMO, and should be discussed in
talk.politics.assassination, carried by every honorable Usenet site).
But as far as AP is concerned, clearly JFK's death (quite deserved)
did not deter other scum like him from seeking political office.
Now, if he had been tried (for treason, murder, etc) and died like
a criminal, not like a hero, on national TV, that would have done
a lot more damage to the image of the office of the president of
the united states. Just look back at what Nixon's resignation did.
I believe in public hangings after a fair trial.

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Phil Fraering wrote:
> I guess the final word on assasination politics would be obvious:
> It's widely believed that the New Orleans Mafia (the source of my
> recent statement about body decomposition in Louisiana swamps) was a
> prime driver in the assasination of the late President John F. 
> Kennedy.
> I think it's fairly safe to say that having done this didn't do them a
> damn bit of good. It didn't do anyone else a damn bit of good.
> The world remained just as corrupt as it always was.

Sometimes a person just gets mad, and what can you do?

Anyway, a long time ago, someone inscribed a small stone or tablet with 
fragments of several obscure written languages, later to be called the 
Rosetta Stone. The JFK assassination is a Rosetta Stone too.  Dig in!