Re: FLT 800: From the Rumor Mill...But It Makes Sense.. (fwd)

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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 21:29:56 -0400
From: Ralph Jennett <jennett@citicom.com>
To: Alan Horowitz <alanh@widomaker.com>
Subject: Re: FLT 800: From the Rumor Mill...But It Makes Sense..

The problem is, from my experience at Roosevelt Roads, the Navy never
conducts live fire exercises without declaring the area of operation
strictly off limits to non-military aircraft.  Also, the 747 would have
shown up WITH ITS TRANSPONDER DATA on the screens on an Aegis ship, so why
would they fire?  And, I didn't think that a P3 pilot would fly around in
controlled air space with his transponder shut off, especially when he might
become a target himself (or just a victum of a mid air collision) if he
isn't squawking.  I suppose the story that you sent could be true, but if it
is, I'm surprised that nothing like that ever happened before, given the
sloppy procedures being followed.  The latest RELEASED data makes it sound
like a bomb in the cabin (row 24, right side) is responsible.  I'm not sure
that I don't believe that, although I am quite suspicious of anything coming
out of the justice department under the current President and Attorney General.

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In message <Pine.UW2.3.93.960831232038.22836C-100000@wilma>, Alan Horowitz writ
es:
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>The problem is, from my experience at Roosevelt Roads, the Navy never
>conducts live fire exercises without declaring the area of operation
>strictly off limits to non-military aircraft.  Also, the 747 would have
>shown up WITH ITS TRANSPONDER DATA on the screens on an Aegis ship, so why
>would they fire?  And, I didn't think that a P3 pilot would fly around in

This has happened before; an Aegis ship in the Persian Gulf shot down
an Iranian Airlines (or whatever it's called) aircraft; i'm not sure
how many died in that incident (i think about 70 - can very well be
wrong). The US just "apologized" for the mistake AFAIK.
- -Angelos

PS. This happened 8-10 years ago if i recall well.

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The Aegis ship in the Gulf wzs not in an exercise. It was in a war zone.

If my memory serves, the Iranian jetliner had its squawker turned off, or 
broken. The officer in charge in the CIC had about ten seconds to decide 
if he was about to be locked-on by a missle. And no real information to 
make the decision with.

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In message <Pine.SV4.3.91.960901205930.2611B-100000@larry.infi.net>, Alan Horow
itz writes:
>The Aegis ship in the Gulf wzs not in an exercise. It was in a war zone.
>
>If my memory serves, the Iranian jetliner had its squawker turned off, or 
>broken. The officer in charge in the CIC had about ten seconds to decide 
>if he was about to be locked-on by a missle. And no real information to 
>make the decision with.

There's still the possibility that something malfunctioned (but not
fatal - otherwise - for the plane). I'm not
saying it's what happened, but it's a distant possibility.
- -Angelos

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On Sun, 1 Sep 1996, Alan Horowitz wrote:

> The Aegis ship in the Gulf wzs not in an exercise. It was in a war zone.
> 
> If my memory serves, the Iranian jetliner had its squawker turned off, or 
> broken. The officer in charge in the CIC had about ten seconds to decide 
> if he was about to be locked-on by a missle. And no real information to 

I think it was actually a combination of a design flaw in the user 
interface for the control system combined with a human error that led to 
the radar officer confusing the airbus with an (F4?) a hundred miles away 
that he'd previously clicked on. 



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