NODE 62ee0cddRe: We removed radikal 154 from xs4all :(
"James A. Donald" <jamesd@echeque.com>Wed, 25 Sep 1996 13:05:07 +0800
At 09:28 AM 9/24/96 -0400, pjb@ny.ubs.com wrote:
> i was under the impression that germany's goal was to stop the distribution
> of radikal 154 by xs4all, not by 50 mirror sites. they seem to have
> accomplished their goal. do you really think that they will let a little
> thing like reason stand in their way when claiming victory?
Your impression was wrong.
Let us just run through the sequence of events.
A bunch of leftover commies publish some boring commie crap in Germany,
which probably most people would have ignored.
Thugs with truncheons shut them up, making large numbers of "preventative"
arrests. (A "preventative" arrest is when you have done nothing illegal,
let alone wrong, but they arrest you anyway.)
Result: big publicity on the internet, dead silence in the
"free" german press.
Germany tries to shut up the internet.
Result: Even bigger publicity.
Sounds like a defeat for Germany to me.
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NODE e9bb9fceRe: We removed radikal 154 from xs4all :(
Asgaard <asgaard@Cor.sos.sll.se>Thu, 26 Sep 1996 04:02:16 +0800
On Tue, 24 Sep 1996, James A. Donald wrote:
> Let us just run through the sequence of events.
>
> A bunch of leftover commies publish some boring commie crap in Germany,
> which probably most people would have ignored.
But are these people really 'leftover commies'? Trying to
read #154 is rather confusing (but my German is not that
great, which could explain this). The 'Autonomen' don't
seem to be 'leftover' in the real sense, you get the impression
they are young people. Obviously they are opposed to the 'Punks'
whatever that means. I wish someone from Germany could deliver
a short resume of their political views - the interesting
question being why the German authorities obviously fear them.
(One German on the list has opinioned that they are 'childish'
but that doesn't say much.)
Asgaard
NODE 487e3c33Re: We removed radikal 154 from xs4all :(
Rolf Weber <weber@iez.com>Thu, 26 Sep 1996 18:05:17 +0800
>
> (One German on the list has opinioned that they are 'childish'
> but that doesn't say much.)
>
how could you define childish?
i did read 'radical'.
my impression was that's childish, but don't ask from me to
start a discussion about it.
perhaps they translate it to english, so you can see by yourself.
that's the idea of free speech.
rolf