Re: Fuck Cyberpromo

At 04:26 PM 10/14/96 -0400, Ray Arachelian wrote:
>On Sun, 13 Oct 1996, Roy M. Silvernail wrote:

>
>I'd like to join you on this.  I have sent email to 
>wallace@asswipespamnet already as well as left them voice mail for every 
>message they sent, they will be charged $500 per message and the next one 
>I receive constitutes acceptance.  I've since then recieved about 4-5 
>more, which means they owe me $2000 or thereabouts. :)
>
>So what steps do we need in putting some teeth into this?

"You rang, Sir?"


Jim Bell
jimbell@pacifier.com

It looks like Jim Bell is arranging a contract on Mr. Wallace (apparently
the operator of "abusebot@savetrees.com," and other obnoxious spambots
assocated with Cyberpromo).

At 7:06 PM -0800 10/14/96, jim bell wrote:
>At 04:26 PM 10/14/96 -0400, Ray Arachelian wrote:
>>On Sun, 13 Oct 1996, Roy M. Silvernail wrote:
>
>>
>>I'd like to join you on this.  I have sent email to
>>wallace@asswipespamnet already as well as left them voice mail for every
>>message they sent, they will be charged $500 per message and the next one
>>I receive constitutes acceptance.  I've since then recieved about 4-5
>>more, which means they owe me $2000 or thereabouts. :)
>>
>>So what steps do we need in putting some teeth into this?
>
>"You rang, Sir?"

Careful, Jim, you are coming _very_ close to crossing the line. You appear
to be volunteering to have Mr. Wallace (and perhaps his family?) killed.

Arguing theoretical implications of what you call "AP" is substantially
different from saying "You rang?" when your frequent posts about AP being
the solution make it clear you are referring to AP here.

I'm not a lawyer, but this is getting real close to the line. I doubt many
DAs would take it seriously, but I rather expect Mr. Wallace of
savetrees.com might discover this message and draw the reasonable inference
that his life is being threatened.

--Tim May

"The government announcement is disastrous," said Jim Bidzos,.."We warned IBM
that the National Security Agency would try to twist their technology."
[NYT, 1996-10-02]
We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed.
---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:----
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tcmay@got.net  408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero
W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA  | knowledge, reputations, information markets,
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"National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

"Timothy C. May" <tcmay@got.net> writes:

> It looks like Jim Bell is arranging a contract on Mr. Wallace (apparently
> the operator of "abusebot@savetrees.com," and other obnoxious spambots
> assocated with Cyberpromo).

Where can I bet that Mr. Wallace *won't* shut up?

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Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

On Mon, 14 Oct 1996, Timothy C. May wrote:

> At 7:06 PM -0800 10/14/96, jim bell wrote:
> >At 04:26 PM 10/14/96 -0400, Ray Arachelian wrote:
> >>On Sun, 13 Oct 1996, Roy M. Silvernail wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>I'd like to join you on this.  I have sent email to
> >>wallace@asswipespamnet already as well as left them voice mail for every
> >>message they sent, they will be charged $500 per message and the next one
> >>I receive constitutes acceptance.  I've since then recieved about 4-5
> >>more, which means they owe me $2000 or thereabouts. :)
> >>
> >>So what steps do we need in putting some teeth into this?
> >
> >"You rang, Sir?"
> 
> Careful, Jim, you are coming _very_ close to crossing the line. You appear
> to be volunteering to have Mr. Wallace (and perhaps his family?) killed.

    I see nothing in any of these messages about the murder or even 
slightest physical attack against Mr. Wallace.  Instead "putting some 
teeth into this" looks like it implies taking further actions 
on collecting a debt.  I suppose one extreme way of interpreting that 
would be to kill the debtor.

                       ________________________________
                      [ Bruce M. - Feist Systems, Inc. ]
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
      "We don't want to get our butts kicked by a bunch of long-haired 
        26-year-olds with earrings." -- General John Sheehan on their 
                       reasons for InfoWar involvement

Bruce M. wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Oct 1996, Timothy C. May wrote:
> > At 7:06 PM -0800 10/14/96, jim bell wrote:
> > >At 04:26 PM 10/14/96 -0400, Ray Arachelian wrote:
> > >>On Sun, 13 Oct 1996, Roy M. Silvernail wrote:
> > >>I'd like to join you on this.  I have sent email to
> > >>wallace@asswipespamnet already as well as left them voice mail for every
> > >>message they sent, they will be charged $500 per message and the next one
> > >>I receive constitutes acceptance.  I've since then recieved about 4-5
> > >>more, which means they owe me $2000 or thereabouts. :)
> > >>So what steps do we need in putting some teeth into this?

> > >"You rang, Sir?"

> > Careful, Jim, you are coming _very_ close to crossing the line. You appear
> > to be volunteering to have Mr. Wallace (and perhaps his family?) killed.

>     I see nothing in any of these messages about the murder or even
> slightest physical attack against Mr. Wallace.  Instead "putting some
> teeth into this" looks like it implies taking further actions
> on collecting a debt.  I suppose one extreme way of interpreting that
> would be to kill the debtor.

Rule #4 via Joey the Hit Man:  Never kill someone who owes you money. 
You gotta find some way to convince them to pay it back, i.e., "hey, Mr. 
Zzyzx, nice looking kids you got there. Too bad if something happened to 
one of 'em."

On Mon, 14 Oct 1996, Timothy C. May wrote:

> It looks like Jim Bell is arranging a contract on Mr. Wallace (apparently
> the operator of "abusebot@savetrees.com," and other obnoxious spambots
> assocated with Cyberpromo).
> 
> At 7:06 PM -0800 10/14/96, jim bell wrote:

> >>So what steps do we need in putting some teeth into this?
> >
> >"You rang, Sir?"
> 
> Careful, Jim, you are coming _very_ close to crossing the line. You appear
> to be volunteering to have Mr. Wallace (and perhaps his family?) killed.
> 
> Arguing theoretical implications of what you call "AP" is substantially
> different from saying "You rang?" when your frequent posts about AP being
> the solution make it clear you are referring to AP here.
> 
> I'm not a lawyer, but this is getting real close to the line. I doubt many
> DAs would take it seriously, but I rather expect Mr. Wallace of
> savetrees.com might discover this message and draw the reasonable inference
> that his life is being threatened.

God I hope so..

> 
> --Tim May
> 
> "The government announcement is disastrous," said Jim Bidzos,.."We warned IBM
> that the National Security Agency would try to twist their technology."
> [NYT, 1996-10-02]
> We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed.
> ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:----
> Timothy C. May              | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money,
> tcmay@got.net  408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero
> W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA  | knowledge, reputations, information markets,
> Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments.
> "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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