Re: Blue Box Plans & hacker bbs's

At 08:09 PM 10/20/96 EDT, you wrote:
>I know this is my second question in a short period of time...but anyone
>got or know where to get any good blue box plans??  I cant find shit on
>the web, and I need some good hacker telnet bbs's.  Someone please give
>me either.

goto alt.2600.  Around here we generally can afford
to pay our phone bills :-)  

Also, the network's signalling has changed, and the basic 
Captain Crunch Whistle doesn't work many places any more -
most of the signalling is digital out-of-band rather than
inband audio.  Phreaking isn't impossible (or there wouldn't be 
as many people chasing the Dread Pirate Mitnick), but at this point
you actually need to know what you're doing to succeed at it,
and merely having plans for a device you don't know well enough to
emulate in code on your PC isn't going to buy you much.

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  and the politicians had to count them all.

> Also, the network's signalling has changed, and the basic 
> Captain Crunch Whistle doesn't work many places any more -
> most of the signalling is digital out-of-band rather than
> inband audio.  Phreaking isn't impossible (or there wouldn't be 
> as many people chasing the Dread Pirate Mitnick), but at this point
> you actually need to know what you're doing to succeed at it,
> and merely having plans for a device you don't know well enough to
> emulate in code on your PC isn't going to buy you much.

Very good point, phreaking's getting tricky. First of all, forget blue 
boxes, they're worthless, especially to an amateur, which you (HeLiuM) 
obviouisly are. Get a red box. Go to Radio Shack and buy a digital 
recorder pocket memo thing. They're about ten bucks and it's alot easier 
than getting a handheld DTMF dialer (which is annoying to solder because 
RS doesn't make them very well). Get BlueBeep or something 
(ftp.fc.net/pub/defcon/BLUEBEEP) and record some quarter tones. Go to a 
Bell payphone (CoCoTs and USWest phones do not work) and dial 
"1+area+npa+number", like a normal call. Then play the tones. For a local 
call, dial "10288+area+npa+number", which makes AT&T think it's along 
distance call. 

					pneyz (pneyz@armory.com)

Oh yeah I forgot one thing.  What do you mean by NPA and why cant i just
dial like a regualr call??  And what is a DMTF dialer?

On Mon, 21 Oct 1996 16:50:42 -0700 (PDT) Perry Farrell <pneyz@armory.com>
writes:
>> Also, the network's signalling has changed, and the basic 
>> Captain Crunch Whistle doesn't work many places any more -
>> most of the signalling is digital out-of-band rather than
>> inband audio.  Phreaking isn't impossible (or there wouldn't be 
>> as many people chasing the Dread Pirate Mitnick), but at this point
>> you actually need to know what you're doing to succeed at it,
>> and merely having plans for a device you don't know well enough to
>> emulate in code on your PC isn't going to buy you much.
>
>Very good point, phreaking's getting tricky. First of all, forget blue 
>
>boxes, they're worthless, especially to an amateur, which you (HeLiuM) 
>
>obviouisly are. Get a red box. Go to Radio Shack and buy a digital 
>recorder pocket memo thing. They're about ten bucks and it's alot 
>easier 
>than getting a handheld DTMF dialer (which is annoying to solder 
>because 
>RS doesn't make them very well). Get BlueBeep or something 
>(ftp.fc.net/pub/defcon/BLUEBEEP) and record some quarter tones. Go to 
>a 
>Bell payphone (CoCoTs and USWest phones do not work) and dial 
>"1+area+npa+number", like a normal call. Then play the tones. For a 
>local 
>call, dial "10288+area+npa+number", which makes AT&T think it's along 
>distance call. 
>
>					pneyz (pneyz@armory.com)
>

> Oh yeah I forgot one thing.  What do you mean by NPA and why cant i just

Sorry. By NPA, I meant the prefix as in xxx-NPA-xxxx in a phone number. 
It's like normal. You can't make local calls like normal because 
payphones do not use the tone system ACTS (Automated Coin Toll System) 
for local calls, they process it internally, the way privaately owned 
payphones do (CoCoTs). You need to get AT&T intoÑ?Aý the call by using 
their 10xxx extender. You dial 10288-area-npa-number and AT&T thinks it's 
a normal long distance call and the payphone is out of it. When you put 
the tones into it, it will react like a long distance call. Making local 
calls this way will cost about $3.50 but it's not real money. 

A DTMF dialer is a thing Radio Shack sells that looks vaguely like a 
remote for a TV but it has all the telephone numbers on it, like if you 
took the keypad out of your phone. When you hit a key, it produces a tone
that is recognized µ??øby the phone, that is a DTMF tone. DTMF stands for 
Dual-Tone Multi-Frequency as it is a combination of two tones. By putting 
a 6.5335 mhrtz crystal in place of the original one, the asterisk (*) key 
will now produce the nickel tone (1700mhz+2200mhz) and if you got a 
dialer with memory, you can program it to play a quarter, 1/2 sec pause, 
quarter... etc. It is really easy but you need to be able to solder. Me 
and a friend made two of these and almost broke both, RS doesn't make 
them incredibly high quality. You might also want to get one soon because 
RS is going to stop selling them (that's what I've heard at least).

				pneyz -/- Phone Losers of America (PLA) -\-

Thanks for the tip!  My friend is good with electronics and he is
building a red box using all chips and shit.  He found out some equation
to use so when a capacitor fills up and then discharges to a resistor,
using a certain equation u can generate frequencys.  I also found out
that you can do the same with QBasic.  I wish there was a way to blue
box, but it seems that there's not.  Thanks for everything.

On Mon, 21 Oct 1996 16:50:42 -0700 (PDT) Perry Farrell <pneyz@armory.com>
writes:
>> Also, the network's signalling has changed, and the basic 
>> Captain Crunch Whistle doesn't work many places any more -
>> most of the signalling is digital out-of-band rather than
>> inband audio.  Phreaking isn't impossible (or there wouldn't be 
>> as many people chasing the Dread Pirate Mitnick), but at this point
>> you actually need to know what you're doing to succeed at it,
>> and merely having plans for a device you don't know well enough to
>> emulate in code on your PC isn't going to buy you much.
>
>Very good point, phreaking's getting tricky. First of all, forget blue 
>
>boxes, they're worthless, especially to an amateur, which you (HeLiuM) 
>
>obviouisly are. Get a red box. Go to Radio Shack and buy a digital 
>recorder pocket memo thing. They're about ten bucks and it's alot 
>easier 
>than getting a handheld DTMF dialer (which is annoying to solder 
>because 
>RS doesn't make them very well). Get BlueBeep or something 
>(ftp.fc.net/pub/defcon/BLUEBEEP) and record some quarter tones. Go to 
>a 
>Bell payphone (CoCoTs and USWest phones do not work) and dial 
>"1+area+npa+number", like a normal call. Then play the tones. For a 
>local 
>call, dial "10288+area+npa+number", which makes AT&T think it's along 
>distance call. 
>
>					pneyz (pneyz@armory.com)
>

> >Bell payphone (CoCoTs and USWest phones do not work) and dial 
> >"1+area+npa+number", like a normal call. Then play the tones. For a 
> >local 
> >call, dial "10288+area+npa+number", which makes AT&T think it's along 
> >distance call. 
> >
> >					pneyz (pneyz@armory.com)
> >
> 

'scuze the diseased marsupial for askin' but isn't the npa the "area code"?

NXX-NXX-XXXX, where the first three are the NPA (Numbering Plan Area, or
"area code") or Service Access Code (800,500), the next three are the
central office code, and the last four are the line code? 

See the E.164 standard, NANP sub-section.

While you're at it, look around for some statutes on toll fraud.

God, I love Juno.  ;)

We now return you to your regular non-crypto stupidity ... 

-r.w.

On Tue, 22 Oct 1996, Michael B Amoruso wrote:

> Thanks for the tip!  My friend is good with electronics and he is
> building a red box using all chips and shit.  He found out some equation
> to use so when a capacitor fills up and then discharges to a resistor,
> using a certain equation u can generate frequencys.  I also found out
> that you can do the same with QBasic.  I wish there was a way to blue
> box, but it seems that there's not.  Thanks for everything.

cypherpunks is not 2600.  Readers and posters would do well to understand
that this list has among its readers at least one former federal
prosecutor and several active law enforcement officials.

Please take your discussion elsewhere.

> On Mon, 21 Oct 1996 16:50:42 -0700 (PDT) Perry Farrell <pneyz@armory.com>
> writes:
> >> Also, the network's signalling has changed, and the basic 
> >> Captain Crunch Whistle doesn't work many places any more -
> >> most of the signalling is digital out-of-band rather than
> >> inband audio.  Phreaking isn't impossible (or there wouldn't be 
> >> as many people chasing the Dread Pirate Mitnick), but at this point
> >> you actually need to know what you're doing to succeed at it,
> >> and merely having plans for a device you don't know well enough to
> >> emulate in code on your PC isn't going to buy you much.

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Michael B Amoruso wrote:
> 
> Oh yeah I forgot one thing.  What do you mean by NPA and why cant i just
> dial like a regualr call??  And what is a DMTF dialer?
> 
> On Mon, 21 Oct 1996 16:50:42 -0700 (PDT) Perry Farrell <pneyz@armory.com>
> writes:
> >> Also, the network's signalling has changed, and the basic
> >> Captain Crunch Whistle doesn't work many places any more -
> >> most of the signalling is digital out-of-band rather than
> >> inband audio.  Phreaking isn't impossible (or there wouldn't be
> >> as many people chasing the Dread Pirate Mitnick), but at this point
> >> you actually need to know what you're doing to succeed at it,
> >> and merely having plans for a device you don't know well enough to
> >> emulate in code on your PC isn't going to buy you much.
> >
> >Very good point, phreaking's getting tricky. First of all, forget blue
> >
> >boxes, they're worthless, especially to an amateur, which you (HeLiuM)
> >
> >obviouisly are. Get a red box. Go to Radio Shack and buy a digital
> >recorder pocket memo thing. They're about ten bucks and it's alot
> >easier
> >than getting a handheld DTMF dialer (which is annoying to solder
> >because
> >RS doesn't make them very well). Get BlueBeep or something
> >(ftp.fc.net/pub/defcon/BLUEBEEP) and record some quarter tones. Go to
> >a
> >Bell payphone (CoCoTs and USWest phones do not work) and dial
> >"1+area+npa+number", like a normal call. Then play the tones. For a
> >local
> >call, dial "10288+area+npa+number", which makes AT&T think it's along
> >distance call.
> >
> >                                       pneyz (pneyz@armory.com)
> >


DEFINITIONS for budding phone phreaks:

NPA: Numbering Plan Area - known to us humans as area codes; instituted
circa 1947 for long distance dialing.

DTMF: dual-tone multi-frequency - known to humans as TouchTones(tm); 
used to dial telephones.

Advice:  Instead of getting your friend to build you a red box, get
a SoundBlaster Sound Card and get the sound file that is the
quarter tone.  Play this into a tape recorder or into a greeting card
that records sound and use at your own risk!

Also - find as many back-issues of 2600 (a print publication) and Phrack
(an on-line publication [text files]) as you possibly can.  Memorize
them and you will be on your way to becoming a phone phreak!

One more thing - if you are on the web, jump to your friendly
neighborhood search engine and look for your keywords you were
talking about:  phreak, blue box, red box, 2600, phrack, etc, many
more to choose from.

You may find some pages (a few) of interest.

B.