NODE bf456765Netscape does the right thing
Paul Robichaux <paul@ljl.COM>Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:42:49 -0700 (PDT)
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When you buy Que's current Netscape book (_Special Edition, Using Netscape
3_), the included CD has the US-only, 128-bit, non-export version of
Navigator on it. It's a licensed copy, even! (Of course, the book also has
a small yellow "NOT FOR EXPORT" tag on the back cover, but who's counting?)
For $49, getting a licensed copy of the 128-bit Navigator 3.0 plus a 1000+
page book is a pretty good deal. My hat's off to Netscape for choosing to
put the 128-bit version on the CD, and to Macmillan/Que for bothering to
get the software in the first place. I really do believe that Netscape
wants to get secure software out as widely as possible.
(Disclaimer: I wrote chapter 29 (the intro to JavaScript chapter) for
_Special Edition, Using Netscape 2_. Que reused it, but I don't get paid
any extra. It's a comprehensive book, and the CD has lots of cool stuff on
it too.)
- -Paul
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NODE 76e0d26bRe: Netscape does the right thing
"Timothy C. May" <tcmay@got.net>Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:07:42 -0700 (PDT)
At 1:43 PM -0500 10/9/96, Paul Robichaux wrote:
>When you buy Que's current Netscape book (_Special Edition, Using Netscape
>3_), the included CD has the US-only, 128-bit, non-export version of
>Navigator on it. It's a licensed copy, even! (Of course, the book also has
>a small yellow "NOT FOR EXPORT" tag on the back cover, but who's counting?)
>
>For $49, getting a licensed copy of the 128-bit Navigator 3.0 plus a 1000+
>page book is a pretty good deal. My hat's off to Netscape for choosing to
>put the 128-bit version on the CD, and to Macmillan/Que for bothering to
>get the software in the first place. I really do believe that Netscape
>wants to get secure software out as widely as possible.
Though not a new issue, this reminds me of some hypothetical issues:
* No records are kept of book purchases, of course, and Joe Blow can simply
plunk down $49 (plus tax), never register the software (if such a thing is
even asked for), and take it with him to some foreign country and make tens
of thousands of copies.
(Obviously possible with net-borne releases as well, but the book + cash
makes the example very easy to understand.)
* If the "Not for Export" label is removed, how will Customs ever detect
export? (Not that U.S. Customs checks outgoing luggage very often...as we
have discussed, nearly none of us have ever been inspected on the way of
the country, and very rarely on the way back in.)
* What if I buy the book, remove the label, and sell it to someone else?
Can he then be prosecuted for exporting that which he had no idea was "Not
for Export"?
(Ignorance of the law is no excuse, and all.)
* If this book can be printed and sold with a "Not for Export" sticker,
maybe we'll see a version of Schneier with a similar CD-ROM in it, also
marked "Not for Export."
--Tim May
"The government announcement is disastrous," said Jim Bidzos,.."We warned IBM
that the National Security Agency would try to twist their technology."
[NYT, 1996-10-02]
We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed.
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Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money,
tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero
W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets,
Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments.
"National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
NODE e6a22b71Re: Netscape does the right thing
Lucky Green <shamrock@netcom.com>Thu, 10 Oct 1996 01:39:29 -0700 (PDT)
On Wed, 9 Oct 1996, Timothy C. May wrote:
> At 1:43 PM -0500 10/9/96, Paul Robichaux wrote:
>
> >When you buy Que's current Netscape book (_Special Edition, Using Netscape
> >3_), the included CD has the US-only, 128-bit, non-export version of
> >Navigator on it. It's a licensed copy, even! (Of course, the book also has
> >a small yellow "NOT FOR EXPORT" tag on the back cover, but who's counting?)
> >
> >For $49, getting a licensed copy of the 128-bit Navigator 3.0 plus a 1000+
> >page book is a pretty good deal. My hat's off to Netscape for choosing to
> >put the 128-bit version on the CD, and to Macmillan/Que for bothering to
> >get the software in the first place. I really do believe that Netscape
> >wants to get secure software out as widely as possible.
Egghead has 128 bit Navigator 3.0 on sale for $29. You heard me right. The
clerk at Egghead, speaking broken English, failed to ask me for my passport.
--Lucky
NODE f3c0f7b1Re: Netscape does the right thing
Jeff Weinstein <jsw@netscape.com>Thu, 10 Oct 1996 03:16:23 -0700 (PDT)
Lucky Green wrote:
>
> On Wed, 9 Oct 1996, Timothy C. May wrote:
>
> > At 1:43 PM -0500 10/9/96, Paul Robichaux wrote:
> >
> > >When you buy Que's current Netscape book (_Special Edition, Using Netscape
> > >3_), the included CD has the US-only, 128-bit, non-export version of
> > >Navigator on it. It's a licensed copy, even! (Of course, the book also has
> > >a small yellow "NOT FOR EXPORT" tag on the back cover, but who's counting?)
> > >
> > >For $49, getting a licensed copy of the 128-bit Navigator 3.0 plus a 1000+
> > >page book is a pretty good deal. My hat's off to Netscape for choosing to
> > >put the 128-bit version on the CD, and to Macmillan/Que for bothering to
> > >get the software in the first place. I really do believe that Netscape
> > >wants to get secure software out as widely as possible.
> Egghead has 128 bit Navigator 3.0 on sale for $29. You heard me right. The
> clerk at Egghead, speaking broken English, failed to ask me for my passport.
The version of Navigator sold in retail stores in the US has been
the strong 128-bit version for a year now. The first production run
was the export version (even though the box said "not for export")
because the marketing people didn't think it mattered. Once I
educated them, the right thing happened.
--Jeff
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Netscape Communication Corporation
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Any opinions expressed above are mine.