HAPPY GUY FAWKES DAY!

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                          SANDY SANDFORT
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C'punks,

On this day in 1605 the Gunpowder Plot was foiled.  Guy Fawkes
and his compatriots had intended to blow up Parliment.

The English celebrate it because Guy Fawkes failed.

I celebrate it because he tried.  :-)


 S a n d y

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>                           SANDY SANDFORT
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> C'punks,
> 
> On this day in 1605 the Gunpowder Plot was foiled.  Guy Fawkes
> and his compatriots had intended to blow up Parliment.
> 
> The English celebrate it because Guy Fawkes failed.
> 
> I celebrate it because he tried.  :-)

A terrorist!!!   Call the police!!

On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Michael Craft wrote:

> >                           SANDY SANDFORT
> > 
> > On this day in 1605 the Gunpowder Plot was foiled.  Guy Fawkes
> > and his compatriots had intended to blow up Parliment.
> > The English celebrate it because Guy Fawkes failed.
> > I celebrate it because he tried.  :-)
> 
> A terrorist!!!   Call the police!!
> 

Where would we be if he hadn't tried?  I tend to agree with Sandy on this
one.  BTW, I am humor-impaired, so this might be a response taking your
attempt at humor too seriously.

In fact where would we be if a lot of other things hadn't been tried.
George Boole, Charles Babbage, Allan Turing.  They were laughed at/
scorned for trying.  Aren't we all Guy Fawkes in a way?  Cypherpunks I
mean.  I still have faith in us.  I quote the cypherpunks manifesto:

     We don't care much if you don't approve of the software 
     we write.  We know that software can't be destroyed and
     ...shut down.

Idealism and stretching things a bit, maybe, but there is a parallel to be
drawn.  How many of us use crypto illegally and don't care? How many of us
care that it's illegal to use crypto and thats why we do it.  How often
have we seen this propelled overseas in the signatures of cypherpunks:

          RSA in 3 lines of PERL:
          #!/bin/perl -sp0777i<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<j]dsj
          $/=unpack('H*',$_);$_=`echo 16dio\U$k"SK$/SM$n\EsN0p[lN*1
          lK[d2%Sa2/d0$^Ixp"|dc`;s/\W//g;$_=pack('H*',/((..)*)$/)

What is this saying?  Well I know one guy who tried to uudecode it and
find out.  But really, it is in a way a Guy Fawkes thing... Big Bro's
being irresponsible, immature, <your adjective here>.  We must show BB
that we do not condone it.

Violence won't work.  Yeah...next C'Punks meeting outside NSA HQ.
Everybody bring your own bombs and guns. That would go over *really* well.
But at least all the papers would write about us.  So we're forced into
something like this.  Export a munition three times daily.  Geez...BB
could really get you hardcore.  And what's even funnier: the
whitehouse.gov autoresponder.  Dear King Billy: I just exported a munition
illegally.  Have a nice day.  And they don't care. Whitehouse just replies
"Thanks. nice letter"  So we, the peons are getting ignored again.  We
should do something to get noticed.

I cried the day I got my drivers licence and social insurance number. THe
gov't now knows who I am... for so many years I was a non-taxable
non-entity who showed up occasionally as someone's dependant at tax time.
Then, suddenly i was a swiftly accessible statistic. EVIL EVIL EVIL.

So saying we salute those who tried makes us terrorists... no.  Guy is
much maligned... and it's a much more efecive way of changing the gov't
than is on lowly ballot.  :)  Statistically that is.  Gee this was almost
on topic.... but really.  Let's try... instead of complain.  And those who
have tried: I salute you.

 --
Chris Kuethe <ckuethe@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca> LPGV Electronics and Controls
http://www.ualberta.ca/~ckuethe/
RSA in 3 lines of PERL:
#!/bin/perl -sp0777i<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<j]dsj
$/=unpack('H*',$_);$_=`echo 16dio\U$k"SK$/SM$n\EsN0p[lN*1
lK[d2%Sa2/d0$^Ixp"|dc`;s/\W//g;$_=pack('H*',/((..)*)$/)

> > >                           SANDY SANDFORT
> > > 
> > > On this day in 1605 the Gunpowder Plot was foiled.  Guy Fawkes
> > > and his compatriots had intended to blow up Parliment.

Actually I think it was late on November 4 that the plot was foiled.

Guy (Guido) Fawkes and 11 of this friends had rented a house next to the 
Houses of Parliament earlier that year and the group spent several months 
digging a tunnel from the basement of their house to the basement of the HoP.

They moved barrels and barrels of gunpowder into the basement and
left Guy Fawkes there along with a very long fuse on the night of
November 4. The King (James I of England, who was also James VI of Scotland)
was opening Parliament the following day. The plan was for Guy to light
the fuse, escape through the tunnel, and the whole of the HoP would
be blown up. There would be a catholic rebellion and a Catholic (I think
Queen, my memory is failing at this point) monarch installed.

[King Henry VIII had fallen out with the Pope over his many marriages
 (rather ironic as an earlier Pope had declared KH8 "defender of the 
 faith", a title that is still used by the current Queen, because KH8
 had written many articles defending the Catholic faith) and KH8 had
 helped to start the Church of England. Many loyal catholics wanted to
 return to papist control of religion.]

For some reason (the speculation is either that one of the gang
tipped off a friend who was a Member of Parliament (MP) and 
therefore expected to be at the opening and told him not to attend
OR that the whole plot was concocted by the King to raise public
support for him (King wasn't too popular at the time)), the plot was foiled.

The Beefeaters (the guards who still wear their traditional uniform)
searched the basement, saw barrels and barrels of gunpowder and a long
fuse. At the end of the fuse was Guy Fawkes. They either did the search
late on November 4, or early in the morning on the fifth.

Guy was tortured for about 2 weeks. They used the water torture and
dismembered a few parts of his anatomy. A same fate met the other
conspirators that were captured alive. Guy's torture lasted about 2 weeks
and then he was hung, drawn and quartered with his head put on the city
walls for many months. He has hung, cut down before he was dead,
drawn (large cuts made in the body with a sharp sword - makes
the quartering easier on the horses) and then quartered (each limb tied
to a strong horse and the horses then sending charging in four opposite
directions).

No-one knows why the celebrations started. Some speculate that the King
ordered it to remember how close the rule of monarchy nearly came to an end.

Traditional English celebrations are to have a large bonfire and put a 
guy (mannequin) on top. Kids would spend weeks making a realistic looking
"guy" and used to (long time ago) put their guy on the streets a couple
of days before asking for "a penny for the guy" to make money.
Fireworks are also normal.

> > > The English celebrate it because Guy Fawkes failed.
> > > I celebrate it because he tried.  :-)
> > 
> > A terrorist!!!   Call the police!!
> > 
> 
> Where would we be if he hadn't tried?  

Catholic.


 Please to remember
 The fifth of November
 Gunpowder, treason and plot

 I see no reason
 Why gunpowder treason
 Should ever be forgot
	[Traditional English nursery rhyme]

Not quite sure the relevance to cryptography.
I believe that at their "trial", some documents were produced - 
I doubt they were encrypted.

-- 
Nicolas Hammond                                 NJH Security Consulting, Inc.
njh@njh.com                                     211 East Wesley Road
404 262 1633                                    Atlanta
404 812 1984 (Fax)                              GA 30305-3774

On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, Nicolas J. Hammond wrote:
> 
> Not quite sure the relevance to cryptography.
> I believe that at their "trial", some documents were produced - 
> I doubt they were encrypted.

Well, Mary Queen Of Scots's secret communications relied on concealing 
messages in bottles whilst under arrest. This channel was discovered, and 
all here messges were intercepted and read before being passed on. 

Security thru Obscurity just doesn't work...

On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Sandy Sandfort wrote:

> 
> The English celebrate it because Guy Fawkes failed.
> 

Not just the English- it was James 1 that nearly exploded. Also 
the plot was performed for sectarian reasons, rather than any sort 
of liberal ideals (The conspirators were all Catholic).Originally
Bonfire Night was celebrated as a way of spreading and reinforcing
anti-catholicism. Those Whacky Christians!

Simon // It's not the rapture - we've sold you as meat to the Saucer People

In <Pine.SUN.3.91.961105123056.18719A-100000@crl.crl.com>, on 11/05/96 
   at 12:34 PM, Sandy Sandfort <sandfort@crl.com> said:

-.On this day in 1605 the Gunpowder Plot was foiled.  Guy Fawkes
-.and his compatriots had intended to blow up Parliment.

-.The English celebrate it because Guy Fawkes failed.

-.I celebrate it because he tried.  :-)

        I see, at heart you are still a little boy playing with fireworks?

--
  Politicians are like diapers.
    They both need changing regularly, and for the same reason.