Re: Does John Gilmore...

At 11:11 ìì 16/11/1996 -0800, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
>C'punks,
>
>On Sun, 17 Nov 1996, George A. Stathis wrote:
>
>> What worries me is that people still subscribe to the
>> cypherpunks list after this assault on free speech takes place.
>
>So I guess we won't be seeing George around here any more (or 
>did he just me OTHER people should unsubscribe?).

Rest assured that... I am not subscribed to your list anyway.
Maybe I allowed 5 or 6 messages to reach you, since the 'recipients'
contained your list in the first place.

It's part of *your* attempt (AFTER Dimitri's expulsion) to "have the
last word".  :-)  - NOT mine! :-)
 

Perhapds I'd subscribe to your list if serious discussions on...
crypography take place, which would enable me to better... protect
my own software by some kind of encryption. But I decided to lower
my prices and publish (my dictionaries) unprotected anyway! :-)

As regards 'PGP'...
I don't give a damn anymore who reads my mail, since I got used
to infringements of privacy anyway (since my childhood days in
a dictatorship).

In any case, It is not my style to 'hinder other people's discussions'.

And if a list contains more than 1000 people INDIFFERENT to Freedom
of Speech, it's not AT ALL 'my' kind of list anyway... :-)





>> ...I would gladly write articles on Dimitri's expulsion and the
>> facade of Free Speech in mailing lists etc.,...But since I have
>> no time, it's likely someone else will report this.
>
>What was that from Thomas Paine about summer soldiers and
>sunshine patriots?  Three cheers for George and his commitment
>to "Free Speech."  I know I'm impressed.


Aha! aha! aha!  :-)

You are on the verge on "taking the piss out of" (even) Thomas Paine!

How has it happened that you are so determined in your anti-Vulistic
zeal, so as to sacrifice even what the rest of the World admires in
your country?

I always liked Americans for their support of Individual Rights,
their Constitution, Jefferson and Thomas Paine, things like that...

Well, if you want all these reasons to vanish in thin air,
good luck in your next... forcible unsubscriptions! :-)

<shrug>
George

P.S. I have heard cynical Americans before, being 'sarcastic' against
     selfless supporters of Free Speech. A lot of you people can't
     even imagine a selfless cause without financial gain. Such is
     the... Mafia world of... pimping and prostitution, I suppose... :-)     
(-joke!) ROTFL

On Sun, 17 Nov 1996, George A. Stathis wrote:

[...]

> As regards 'PGP'...
> I don't give a damn anymore who reads my mail, since I got used
> to infringements of privacy anyway (since my childhood days in
> a dictatorship).

[...]

> P.S. I have heard cynical Americans before, being 'sarcastic' against
>      selfless supporters of Free Speech. A lot of you people can't
>      even imagine a selfless cause without financial gain. Such is
>      the... Mafia world of... pimping and prostitution, I suppose... :-)     
> (-joke!) ROTFL

The problem with people too used to dictatorships is that they grow
so accustomed to taking those favors and incentives which are dictated to
them that the freedom (and responsibility) of "financial gain" seem like
too much work.

Much easier to just work for food.  "The all-knowing General Pinoriega
would have given us money if we needed it."

Of course the result is an increased dependence on the state.

Market economies which approach true "free market" status provide no
foothold for regulation.  You cannot really have one without the
other.  (Note the coming backlash against free speech and free markets in
the United States).

The free market will ever be the only real path to free speech, because,
in essence, it is free speech.

Free speech does not, however, require that all speech be universally
broadcast to each and every citizen on the planet free of charge.  That's
"subsidized speech."

Consider long and hard if that is the path that you would like to take.

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