Dorthy Denning is a boot-licking fasicist!!!

Hi,

I don't know if anyone watched the House Subcomitty on Computers &
Technology today on C-Span.

Phil Zimmerman, Dorthy Denning, William Reinsch & others were disscussing
computer security.

Dorthy Denning gave the most pro-government speech I have ever heard. Is
this clueless bitch on the government payroll?!!

William Reinsch is a lying bastard. Fucking politions!! Fucking
goverment!! They all deserve a long rope!!

Phil Zimmerman was quite good at attacking the government policies.

<sigh> We are truly a country of fools to have put these jackbooted
facisit bastards back into office.

-- 
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"William H. Geiger III" <whgiii@amaranth.com>
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William H. Geiger III wrote:
[snip]
> I don't know if anyone watched the House Subcomitty on Computers &
> Technology today on C-Span.
> 
> Phil Zimmerman, Dorthy Denning, William Reinsch & others were disscussing
> computer security.
> 
> Dorthy Denning gave the most pro-government speech I have ever heard. Is
> this clueless bitch on the government payroll?!!
[snip]

Well, you may find the following interesting... I'll stick this on
the web scanned someplace soon just to allay any sillieness about it being
fud. It may be a bit dated, but obviously is still relivant. 

Tim



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                     NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL


UNCLASSIFIED                                 13-Apr-1993 13:08 EDT
(CONFIDENTIAL)

MEMORANDUM FOR:

              George J. Tenet                           (TENET)
              David Kelly                               (KELLYD)
              Richard C. Barth                          (BARTH)

FROM:         Michael J. Waguespack
                (WAGUESPACK)

SUBJECT:     ENCRYPTION


THE FBI JUST ADVISED THAT THEY HAVE RECEIVED A TELEPHONE
INQUIRY FROM DOROTHY DENNING RE THE ENCRYPTION STORY. SHE
APPARENTLY WAS CALLED BY MARKOV [sic] WHO SEEMS TO HAVE SOME
KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT IS BREWING AND THAT SOMEING IS ABOUT TO
BREAK. MARKOV ALLEGEDLY GOT HIS INFORMATION FROM A "RETIRED
GOVERNMENT EXECUTIVE." MARKOV RELATED TO DENNING THAT HE IS
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-----------------------------------------------------------  E.O.
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                                                            1.3 (a)(4)
HERE WE GO!

CC:Records                           (RECORDS)







                        Partially declassified/Released on 10/3/94
                             under provisions of E.0. 12356
                        by J. Saunders, National Security Council
   

                                                       Doc #39


[Obtained under the Freedom of Information Act by the Electronic 
Privacy Information Center, 1994]

In <199611262215.QAA21070@mailhub.amaranth.com>, on 11/26/96 
   at 03:38 PM, "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii@amaranth.com> said:

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::Dorthy Denning gave the most pro-government speech I have ever heard. Is
::this clueless bitch on the government payroll?!!
::
        that she is, most assuredly, but you'll never prove it.

::William Reinsch is a lying bastard. Fucking politions!! Fucking
::goverment!! They all deserve a long rope!!
::

::Phil Zimmerman was quite good at attacking the government policies.
::

::<sigh> We are truly a country of fools to have put these jackbooted
::facisit bastards back into office.
::
        is there a different kind that we are permitted to elect?

        I always thought our truth reporting news media, despite their
    control by big money gave us choices, like

            a republican who has the socialist instincts of FDR, or

            a hill-billy pseudo leftist who sounds like he expects his
            subjects to believe he is a "centrist" or

            Harry Brown, a "republican" in sheep's clothing who just
            wants to give the states the federales' right to declare
            justice at our expense.  Harry received less than 300,000
            votes this time --35% of what the last candidate --guess
            ol Harry was the only one who did not fool the people, or

            big ears and deep pockets... not bad. all that money bought
            8% of the disaffected vote.

        the only _constitutionalist_ running for President was Howard
    Phillips.  I might have voted for the first time in my life if he
    had been on the ballot in Utah.

        some democracy, an assemblage of whores.
            unfortunately, we are the whores
        
                    sorry O'Rourk, for masticating your quote.

        australia was settle by English prisoners, mostly bankrupts and
    the like. after the original religious settlers, America was settled
    by every bounder who dream of piracy and the liberty to rape, 
    pillage and burn.

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--
  Cyberspace is OUR Freedom.  
    FUCK your CDA!
        -attila

--
  Cyberspace and Information are Freedom!  
    FUCK your WIPO, too. 
        -attila

--
  maybe there is an analogy:

  militias:   "the only way they'll take my weapon
              is from my cooling, smoking hand...."

  prez:       "the only way they'll take my executive privileges
              is to impeach me --IF I consent to leave."

            <attila>
--
  without arms they do not resist; 
    without communication they know not what to resist.
        -attila
--
  one of the few conclusions shared by the enlightened: 
    the absolute, corrosive contempt for our elected officials.
        -attila
--
  Politicians are like diapers.
    They both need prompt and regular replacement, 
    and for the same reason.
        -attila
--
 "In nature, stupidity gets you killed.
   In the workplace, it gets you promoted.
    In politics, it gets you re-elected."
        --attila

--
 "Every government is an assemblage of whores.
   Unfortunately, in a democracy, we are the whores."
        --O'Rourke

On Tue, 26 Nov 1996, William H. Geiger III wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I don't know if anyone watched the House Subcomitty on Computers &
> Technology today on C-Span.

I was there today in DC at the hearing.  

> Dorthy Denning gave the most pro-government speech I have ever heard. Is
> this clueless bitch on the government payroll?!!
> William Reinsch is a lying bastard. Fucking politions!! Fucking
> goverment!! They all deserve a long rope!!

Settle down.  Neither of them was _that_ bad... just business as usual.
My favorite Denning remark though, was when PRZ brought up the fact taht
the FBI's latest legislative goal had been to obtain the
capability/permission to wiretap 1% of the population, and she tried to
refute it.  (It was later brought up by an audience member from the ACLU
that Louis Freeh's remarks to those effect were in the congressional
record).

Reinsch's shining moments came when he became so worn down by the
opposition that he made the "look, it was Clinton's order.  He's my boss,
so i just have to do what he says" type of response.

> Phil Zimmerman was quite good at attacking the government policies.

Dan Geer, of Open Market, and (umm...somebody) of Open Vision systems also
did very well.

> <sigh> We are truly a country of fools to have put these jackbooted
> facisit bastards back into office.

Neither Denning nor Reinsch is an elected official.  Any president we
elect, unless they run with a specific pro-crypto plank in their platform
will do the same thing...they're all in bed with the LEA's.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
The Semi-Carless Kathleen Ellis    NEW ADDRESS: tgkelli@tiger.towson.edu
I hate the web.			       http://tiger.towson.edu/~tgkelli/
I love encryption.    1996/08/30 Kathleen Ellis <kelli@tiger.towson.edu> 
pub  2047/21853015     F8 D6 96 B2 C6 5A 08 15  43 BE 9E CF 18 8F 1B F0

"Someone tried to get me to run nachos on my box once.  Said it was better
than sunos, more cheese".
						-r4j00g4

> On Tue, 26 Nov 1996, William H. Geiger III wrote:
> > Dorthy Denning gave the most pro-government speech I have ever heard. Is
> > this clueless bitch on the government payroll?!!
> > William Reinsch is a lying bastard. Fucking politions!! Fucking
> > goverment!! They all deserve a long rope!!
> Settle down.  Neither of them was _that_ bad... just business as usual.

     Business as usual is _that_ bad.

> > <sigh> We are truly a country of fools to have put these jackbooted
> > facisit bastards back into office.
> 
> Neither Denning nor Reinsch is an elected official.  Any president we
> elect, unless they run with a specific pro-crypto plank in their platform
> will do the same thing...they're all in bed with the LEA's.

     Well, it's been said before, you are know by the company you keep. 

Petro, Christopher C.
petro@suba.com <prefered for any non-list stuff>
snow@smoke.suba.com

In <199611271234.GAA03465@smoke.suba.com>, on 11/27/96 
   at 06:34 AM, snow <snow@smoke.suba.com> said:

>> On Tue, 26 Nov 1996, William H. Geiger III wrote:
>> > Dorthy Denning gave the most pro-government speech I have ever heard. Is
>> > this clueless bitch on the government payroll?!!
>> > William Reinsch is a lying bastard. Fucking politions!! Fucking
>> > goverment!! They all deserve a long rope!!
>> Settle down.  Neither of them was _that_ bad... just business as usual.

>     Business as usual is _that_ bad.

>> > <sigh> We are truly a country of fools to have put these jackbooted
>> > facisit bastards back into office.
>> 
>> Neither Denning nor Reinsch is an elected official.  Any president we
>> elect, unless they run with a specific pro-crypto plank in their platform
>> will do the same thing...they're all in bed with the LEA's.

>     Well, it's been said before, you are know by the company you keep. 

<sigh> well after my survivalist training & military training in the '80's
I thought I was well prepaired for those dam Ruskies. Seems the way things
are going I am going to need them for those dam Americans. Who Knew

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