Re: [REBUTTAL] Censorship on cypherpunks?, from The Netly N

> If you do not send it to me by e-mail, I will never see it.
> Why are you so paranoid that someone is reading your e-mail?
> I never do anything criminal, so I could give a shit less if
> everybody reads all of my fucking mail.

I was trying hard not to get into this thread as it is basically just 
one long flamewar that is getting out of control but I have to 
comment here:

There need be no reason for paranoia. I don`t call it paranoia, I 
call it constant vigilance, to demonize it is a statist position and 
tries to ostricise those who protect their privacy. 

Whether you do anything criminal or not is not the point. Indeed I 
would say that 90-95% of encryption usage is for perfectly legal 
purposes, and only about 0.1% of encrypted material is concerned with 
unethical acts rather than illegal acts. The point is you should 
retain the right to protect your privacy. 
Sure, it`s not illegal to  put forward anarchist arguments in mail today, 
but do you really want your company boss knowing about it? 
 I personally don`t work - I`m a student so it doesn`t matter to me, 
but whether it is right that your employement and political views should 
affect each other they do, so you should be able to protect yourself 
with technology...




 

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On Sun, 17 Nov 1996 paul@fatmans.demon.co.uk wrote:

> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 15:01:52 +0000
> From: paul@fatmans.demon.co.uk
> To: aga <aga@dhp.com>
> Cc: cypherpunks@toad.com
> Subject: Re: [REBUTTAL] Censorship on cypherpunks?, from The Netly N
> 
>  
> > If you do not send it to me by e-mail, I will never see it.
> > Why are you so paranoid that someone is reading your e-mail?
> > I never do anything criminal, so I could give a shit less if
> > everybody reads all of my fucking mail.
> 
> I was trying hard not to get into this thread as it is basically just 
> one long flamewar that is getting out of control but I have to 
> comment here:
> 
> There need be no reason for paranoia. I don`t call it paranoia, I 
> call it constant vigilance, to demonize it is a statist position and 
> tries to ostricise those who protect their privacy. 
> 
> Whether you do anything criminal or not is not the point. Indeed I 
> would say that 90-95% of encryption usage is for perfectly legal 
> purposes, and only about 0.1% of encrypted material is concerned with 
> unethical acts rather than illegal acts. The point is you should 
> retain the right to protect your privacy. 
> Sure, it`s not illegal to  put forward anarchist arguments in mail today, 
> but do you really want your company boss knowing about it? 

get an anonymous account if you want to do that.

>  I personally don`t work - I`m a student so it doesn`t matter to me, 
> but whether it is right that your employement and political views should 
> affect each other they do, so you should be able to protect yourself 
> with technology...
> 
As I said dude; I no longer respond to any como with the cypherpunks
address in the header.  If you want an answer to your comments,
address your reply to the Freedom-knights list or to me, without
any *punks address in the header.

Any list run by an admitted Faggot is no place where I
will allow an audience.  This is not a reply to your comments.

-aga

> 
>   Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security
>        Paul Bradley, Paul@fatmans.demon.co.uk
>   Paul@crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul@cryptography.uk.eu.org    
>        Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/
>       Email for PGP public key, ID: 5BBFAEB1
>      "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"
>

On Mon, 18 Nov 1996, aga wrote:

> As I said dude; I no longer respond to any como with the cypherpunks
> address in the header.  If you want an answer to your comments,
> address your reply to the Freedom-knights list or to me, without
> any *punks address in the header.
> 
> Any list run by an admitted Faggot is no place where I
> will allow an audience.

Oh, this guy is for free speech.  Sure.

Freedom Knights?  Try Knights of the KKK.

> 
> -aga
> 

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On Tue, 19 Nov 1996, Black Unicorn wrote:

> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 05:11:23 -0500 (EST)
> From: Black Unicorn <unicorn@schloss.li>
> Reply-To: freedom-knights@jetcafe.org
> To: aga <aga@dhp.com>
> Cc: paul@fatmans.demon.co.uk, freedom-knights@jetcafe.org,
>     cypherpunks@toad.com
> Subject: Re: NO commo to "Faggot" cypherpunk list
> 
> On Mon, 18 Nov 1996, aga wrote:
> 
> > As I said dude; I no longer respond to any como with the cypherpunks
> > address in the header.  If you want an answer to your comments,
> > address your reply to the Freedom-knights list or to me, without
> > any *punks address in the header.
> > 
> > Any list run by an admitted Faggot is no place where I
> > will allow an audience.
> 
> Oh, this guy is for free speech.  Sure.
> 

Hey motherfucker, I TOLD YOU to leave out the stupid
cypherpunks header!  Just when are you going to learn
to listen?!!  You have been around those faggots too much!

Faggots have NOTHING to do with Fredom of Speech!

> Freedom Knights?  Try Knights of the KKK.
> 

Hey cocksucker, the KKK have nothing to do with faggots!

There is a basic understanding in life by ALL GOOD MEN
that Faggots are defective creatures.  NOBODY wants to
be seen with or associated with faggots!

John Gilmore is a Faggot, therefore he is defective.
And we question any of his associates.
open and shut case.

-aga

> From: aga <aga@dhp.com>
> 
> Hey motherfucker, I TOLD YOU to leave out the stupid
> cypherpunks header!  Just when are you going to learn
> to listen?!!  You have been around those faggots too much!
> 
> Faggots have NOTHING to do with Fredom of Speech!
> 
> > Freedom Knights?  Try Knights of the KKK.
> > 
> 
> Hey cocksucker, the KKK have nothing to do with faggots!

Really, then how come you keep posting your messages through
cypherpunks, a list over which an alleged "Faggot" has complete
control?  You keep telling others not to post to the list, but you
keep posting there yourself.  Could it be that you have no authority
yourself, and thus can't even keep your own E-mail away from the
control of "Faggots"?

> There is a basic understanding in life by ALL GOOD MEN
> that Faggots are defective creatures.  NOBODY wants to
> be seen with or associated with faggots!

I guess there aren't very many good men left, and the few who are left
don't have any authority themselves--They are forced to use mailing
lists under the authority of "Faggots."  I guess you loose and the
"Faggots" win.  Game over, now shut up.

Wow, I couldn't have made a stronger case for this individual's lack of
substance in 1 hour of open debate.

On Tue, 19 Nov 1996, aga wrote:

> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 05:32:18 -0500 (EST)
> From: aga <aga@dhp.com>
> To: freedom-knights@jetcafe.org
> Cc: InterNet Freedom Council <ifc@pgh.org>, paul@fatmans.demon.co.uk,
>     cypherpunks@toad.com
> Subject: BAD FAGGOT John Gilmore
> Newsgroups: alt.god.grubor,soc.men,alt.cyberspace,alt.wired,soc.culture.usa,alt.internet.media-coverage,alt.asshole.john-gilmore,comp.admin.policy
> 
> On Tue, 19 Nov 1996, Black Unicorn wrote:
> 
> > Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 05:11:23 -0500 (EST)
> > From: Black Unicorn <unicorn@schloss.li>
> > Reply-To: freedom-knights@jetcafe.org
> > To: aga <aga@dhp.com>
> > Cc: paul@fatmans.demon.co.uk, freedom-knights@jetcafe.org,
> >     cypherpunks@toad.com
> > Subject: Re: NO commo to "Faggot" cypherpunk list
> > 
> > On Mon, 18 Nov 1996, aga wrote:
> > 
> > > As I said dude; I no longer respond to any como with the cypherpunks
> > > address in the header.  If you want an answer to your comments,
> > > address your reply to the Freedom-knights list or to me, without
> > > any *punks address in the header.
> > > 
> > > Any list run by an admitted Faggot is no place where I
> > > will allow an audience.
> > 
> > Oh, this guy is for free speech.  Sure.
> > 
> 
> Hey motherfucker, I TOLD YOU to leave out the stupid
> cypherpunks header!  Just when are you going to learn
> to listen?!!  You have been around those faggots too much!
> 
> Faggots have NOTHING to do with Fredom of Speech!
> 
> > Freedom Knights?  Try Knights of the KKK.
> > 
> 
> Hey cocksucker, the KKK have nothing to do with faggots!
> 
> There is a basic understanding in life by ALL GOOD MEN
> that Faggots are defective creatures.  NOBODY wants to
> be seen with or associated with faggots!
> 
> John Gilmore is a Faggot, therefore he is defective.
> And we question any of his associates.
> open and shut case.
> 
> -aga
> 
> 

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