NODE 366dc6cc"Messer im Kopf"
ph@netcom.com (Peter Hendrickson)Mon, 11 Nov 1996 20:45:03 -0800 (PST)
"Messer im Kopf" is a German film made in 1978 which I highly
recommend. Roughly translated its title is "Knife in the Head". It
has relevance to many of the issues we have been discussing.
In the late 1970s Germany was in a limited state of turmoil due to
fears of "terrorist" (1) groups, particularly the Baader-Meinhoff
gang. Around this time a curious incident occurred. The German
government had had some success in apprehending some gang leaders. In
response, the others hijacked a Lufthansa jet and demanded that the
government release their friends. Four of the leaders of the gang
then died in prison. The government declared these deaths to be
suicides, but considerable doubt surrounds this claim. The government
certainly wanted to discourage further hijacking experiments. The
elimination of the gang leaders would certainly have sent a strong
message. The logic is compelling. On the other hand, it is not
inconceivable that the deaths were suicides intended to discredit the
government.
The Baader-Meinhoff gang popped up again in the late 1980s when they
were suspected of having murdered the banker Alfred Herrhausen. (At
that time their name had changed, but I do not remember what it was.)
Their size was estimated to be about 20 active members with perhaps
3000 financial supporters. (2) Many other European trouble-making
groups of the 1970s were successfully penetrated and virtually
eliminated. The Baader-Meinhoff gang stands out as one which
apparently solved this problem. (It is interesting that infiltration
is the usual means of dealing with troublesome organizations.)
The motivations of the group are unclear to me. It is widely assumed
in the media that they were (or are) communists, but I have seen it
suggested repeatedly that they were in fact sympathetic to the far
right. (I haven't researched this. I do not know how open this
question is.)
"Terrorist" groups are interesting in that they generally do not have
a known membership or location. Certainly, this is germane to many
Cypherpunk discussions.
In the late 1970s the German government considerably extended its
surveillance and monitoring activities and was generally in a state of
alarm regarding terrorists. Great effort was made to identify
everybody. I can't say how much success they had in their stated
goals, but I would love to know as it relates to some of the ideas we
have been discussing. I assume the "security" infrastructure is still
in place, which does not bode well for future German history.
The film is set in the late 1970s and addresses many of the issues
faced by Germans at that time. The main character is a scientist who
is having marital troubles. His life becomes more complicated when he
gets caught up in a scuffle the police are having with "suspected
terrorists". He is shot - not knifed - in the head. After a long
rehabilitation, he has no memory of what occurred. Every other person
in the film attempts to use his ignorance for their own political or
personal ends. More specifics would lessen your appreciation of the
movie.
More generally, you will see a portrayal of a society which is
disentegrating. I found the police particularly alarming. It is not
clear whether our own society is not on the same path. Some will find
this heightens their interest.
The grimness of institutionalized behavior comes through very
strongly. Nearly every character in the film is employed directly or
indirectly by the government. The film itself was funded by the
German government. Yet, it is surprisingly skeptical of the
government's role.
It should be noted that there are no real terrorists in the film. The
police and the "suspected terrorists" are playing a game of "cops and
robbers" with the police holding the live ammunition. Don't think
both sides don't both enjoy it! This is perhaps the most worthwhile
aspect of the film. While everybody else is playing games, the main
character is maimed, but the game goes on regardless.
Many of has have had long discussions involving the implications of
various technologies and how to effect the our kind of political
change in the world. It is helpful to remember that real people are
involved. The readers of this list are by no means the people who
would benefit most from this lesson.
"To win without fighting is best." -- Sun Tzu(?)
That said, the film also gives a feeling for what it might be like to
operate in a hostile domestic environment.
The film is hard to get in the United States. Last I heard, you could
rent it from a company in Chicago. If there is sufficient interest,
it might be a good film for Cypherpunk Movie Night. An invited
speaker who understands the film better than I do would be a
possibility.
Footnotes:
(1) These groups committed acts which are typically described as
"terrorist". It is unclear what the term means. When similar actions
are committed by established groups, the term "terrorism" is not
applied. The term originated at the time of the French revolution
when some philosopher kings seized control of the government and
executed a number of VIPs. The Economist published this excellent
article: http://www.economist.com/issue/02-03-96/sf1.html
(2) The IRA is said to have about 200 active members, which is an
indication of just how much trouble a small group of people can make
if they set their minds to it.
Disclaimer: Some of the facts above may be slightly wrong as I am
relying on memory. The gist of the text should be correct.
Peter Hendrickson
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NODE 55d7d986Re: Returned mail: User Unknown
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NODE a14edd0aRe: "Messer im Kopf"
Derek Bell <dbell@maths.tcd.ie>Tue, 12 Nov 1996 09:36:13 -0800 (PST)
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The film is listed in the Internet Movie Database (http://www.imdb.com)
which lists "The Entertainment Connection" and "Videoflicks Movie Store" as
distributors. The IMDB also provides links to both distributors' home pages.
Derek
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NODE ebdeb78dRe: "Messer im Kopf"
nobody@huge.cajones.com (Huge Cajones Remailer)Wed, 13 Nov 1996 20:54:20 -0800 (PST)
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ph@netcom.com wrote:
p> In the late 1970s Germany was in a limited state of turmoil due to
p> fears of "terrorist" (1) groups, particularly the Baader-Meinhoff
p> gang. Around this time a curious incident occurred. The German
p> government had had some success in apprehending some gang leaders. In
p> response, the others hijacked a Lufthansa jet and demanded that the
p> government release their friends. Four of the leaders of the gang
p> then died in prison. The government declared these deaths to be
p> suicides, but considerable doubt surrounds this claim. The government
p> certainly wanted to discourage further hijacking experiments. The
p> elimination of the gang leaders would certainly have sent a strong
p> message. The logic is compelling. On the other hand, it is not
p> inconceivable that the deaths were suicides intended to discredit the
p> government.
I lived in the Netherlands and West Germany in 1970 (working as a
nightclub singer, no less!), also a time of terrorist activity and
mysterious deaths.
The persistent buzz was that West German intelligence set up the
terrorists to be hit by elements of the US Army's CID. I do not know if
this is true or not, though nothing would surprise me after having
during the same period blundered into Kafkaesque personal conflicts with
major US intelligence players who were quite literally insane.
Proving the axiom that no plot device is to cheap for real life, fifteen
years later I was working as a tech in exec/diplo security, frequently
contracted to a huge - but low-profile - company whose name has been
inextricably linked to the CIA for the past forty years or so. Much of
my job was doing wirework in the various safehouses they maintained,
some of which were enormous mansions kept to stash foreign dignitaries
if the need arose. They maintained their own private security force
that was tacitly authorized to undertake special ops in any of the 83
host countries in which they operate. They had their own EOD and
hostage negotiation/rescue teams that were frequently "in the field."
These were heavyweights recruited from some of the scariest outfits in
the world.
But, to get to the point of this shaggy-dog story, among the specific
threats we were tasked with intercepting were elements of the Red Army
Faction and Baader-Meinhof, both still considered to be dangerous as
late as the mid-'80s, though they never showed up in my AO during my six
years on the job (a Sikh separatist flap during the Golden Temple
episode was as close as I came to real action and it was a false alarm,
though pretty sphincter-tightening for about an hour as, due to a
fuckup, I was the first and only one on site, with nothing to protect me
but a digital multimeter and a farty little hip pocket .380 holding five
rounds).
What I wish to make clear in this discussion is that - to my direct
personal knowledge as a participant - there are innumerable deniable
assets that do the bidding of governments and corporate interests around
the world in the field of anti-terrorism. These assets can _and do_
"handle" situations that the righteous citizen would assume to be the
exclusive purview of the CIA, Mossad, etc. Though I had no direct
knowledge of such executive actions I, do not doubt that these
operations include "neutralization" of troublesome elements.
Fascinating damn gig. Wish to hell I could write that book about it
without "creating problems" for myself.
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