Re: The Rise and Fall of Cypherpunks WAS [Re: the Dennings]

attila@primenet.com writes:
> >         we, and I mean all of us, who contribute the bulk of the
> >     "opinions" to cypherpunks gave the mainstream press the biggest
> >     possible hole to run straight over us, declaring us anarchists
> >     and wild-eyed fanatics. unless we as a group mend our ways, and
> >     turn out intelligent reasoning for the advance of cryptography as
> >     a mainstream way of life, we will be forever consigned not only to
> >     the dustbin, but subject to the ridicule of both the press and the
> >     government.

Quite surprising. This proves (to me) that cypherpunks is nothing more
than lipservice, covertly contributing to the death of the human
spirit which most people seem to want. 

"Unless we as a group mend our ways", indeed. By whose standard of
"mending"? If they construct the proper standard can they not
control you by that choice? Is your goal in life to be controlled
by the press and the government? 

> >         None of us are above a little sarcasm --but let's get the
> >     vituperative effluent out of the system.  do whatever you wish in
> >     private mail, but keep the profane rantings off the list.

The very existance of the "profane" keeps the "sacred" in existance
as well. If you cannot see that, then John Grubor's lesson is wasted
on you.
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Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org 
Freedom Knight of Usenet - http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet

             It is only knowledge that will destroy bias.

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C'punks,

On Tue, 3 Dec 1996, Dave Hayes wrote:
> The very existance of the "profane" keeps the "sacred" in
> existance as well. If you cannot see that, then John Grubor's
> lesson is wasted on you.

If this bit of verbal legerdemain makes any sense at all 
(Logos?), then Grubor must be personally responsible for the
existance of every saint on the Catholic calendar...not.


 S a n d y

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Sandy Sandfort wrote:
> 
> C'punks,
> 
> On Tue, 3 Dec 1996, Dave Hayes wrote:
>
>> The very existance of the "profane" keeps the "sacred" in
>> existance as well. If you cannot see that, then John Grubor's
>> lesson is wasted on you.
> 
> If this bit of verbal legerdemain makes any sense at all
> (Logos?), then Grubor must be personally responsible for the
> existance of every saint on the Catholic calendar...not.


  Well saints come on go on the Roman Catholic calander--doesn't
mean a hell of a lot.

  Dr. Grubor does an excellent job of bring the vermin out of
the woodwork.

                        Steve

Stephen Boursy <boursy@earthlink.net> writes:
> Sandy Sandfort wrote:
> >
> > C'punks,

See punks post. See punks rant. See punks flame. Laugh, laugh, laugh.

> > On Tue, 3 Dec 1996, Dave Hayes wrote:
> >
> >> The very existance of the "profane" keeps the "sacred" in
> >> existance as well. If you cannot see that, then John Grubor's
> >> lesson is wasted on you.
> >
> > If this bit of verbal legerdemain makes any sense at all
> > (Logos?), then Grubor must be personally responsible for the

"Logos" suffers from verbal diarrhea and can only be pitied. Anonymous
cowards like him are the worst enemy of crypto-enhanced privacy.

> > existance of every saint on the Catholic calendar...not.
>
>   Well saints come on go on the Roman Catholic calander--doesn't
> mean a hell of a lot.

We have a Greek Orthodox church of St. Dimitri not too far from here.
They mistakenly think that I'm Greek and send me the same newsletter
they send to everybody else named Dimitri. Some of it is in English,
so I learned quite a bit about the life of the original St. Dimitri:
He was a foul-mouthed Greek who lived in 3rd century CE and got into
trouble for badmouthing the Romans and other Pagans. I suppose he's
an RC saint too. I used to work for the Jesuits - very educational.

He is not to be confused with the Russian St. Dimitri Donskoy who beat the
shit out of the Mongols. That was after the schism, so he's _not RC saint.

>   Dr. Grubor does an excellent job of bring the vermin out of
> the woodwork.

Yes - thank you Dr. Grubor for your fine work.

---

Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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                          SANDY SANDFORT
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C'punks,

>   Well saints come on go on the Roman Catholic calander--doesn't
> mean a hell of a lot.

Obviously Steve has a defective "ironometer."
 
>   Dr. Grubor does an excellent job of bring the vermin out of
> the woodwork.

Yes, riding at the head of the pack.


 S a n d y

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