NODE 6b59e76dNSClean
Vipul Ved Prakash <vipul@pobox.com>Wed, 18 Dec 1996 00:49:12 -0800 (PST)
*** NSCLean, IECLean provide privacy for surfers
Heightened awareness of cookies, user IDs, history files and the like
has left some web users a little spooked about their favorite
browser's ability to track their movements over the Internet. Surfers
can erase Netscape's electronic trail with NSClean, available from
AXXIS Corporation. For the full text story, see
http://www.merc.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=788417-312
AXXIS Corporation also released IEClean software which enables
Microsoft Internet Explorer users to surf privately. For the full text
story, see http://www.merc.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=788418-28e
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NODE 7ccbffe5Re: NSClean
Mike McNally <m5@tivoli.com>Wed, 18 Dec 1996 07:10:22 -0800 (PST)
Vipul Ved Prakash wrote:
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> *** NSCLean, IECLean provide privacy for surfers
>
> Heightened awareness of cookies ...
I see complaints about cookies all the time, and I just have to
wonder why the fuss seems so relatively, well, unsophisticated,
for lack of a better word.
The cookie idea, in and of itself, is really a pretty good one and
can provide some useful features. Things like auto-configuring
web sites ("my Yahoo", though I don't know for sure how that works)
can exploit the cookie capability to provide convenience. I just
can't get worked up over it. The cookie issuer still doesn't really
know who the visitor is, of course, unless the visitor explicitly
hands over that information.
"Naughty" uses of cookies for tracking sites visited might be
objectionable, I suppose. It's easy enough to do selective
editing of the cookie file of course (maybe this NSClean product
can do that).
One of the scary things might be that though cookies can be made
hard to forge, it's clearly impossible for cookie issuers to
ensure the cookies aren't stolen or deliberately distributed. If
a site uses a "secure" cookie as a means of identifying the web
visitor, there's certainly some risk if it then allows access to
sensitive information.
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NODE cdcc73c1Re: NSClean
Eric Murray <ericm@lne.com>Wed, 18 Dec 1996 09:35:18 -0800 (PST)
Mike McNally writes:
> I see complaints about cookies all the time, and I just have to
> wonder why the fuss seems so relatively, well, unsophisticated,
> for lack of a better word.
Probably because cookies aren't explained well to the 'lay public'.
> The cookie idea, in and of itself, is really a pretty good one and
> can provide some useful features.
Yep, it's a good alternative to stuffing a cookie in the URL and
running everything through a CGI script.
The objection I have with cookies are that they can be used to pass
information between servers. And they're being used to track where
browsers go (see http://www.doubleclick.com for an example, theyre
not the only people doing this).
> "Naughty" uses of cookies for tracking sites visited might be
> objectionable, I suppose. It's easy enough to do selective
> editing of the cookie file of course (maybe this NSClean product
> can do that).
Editing the cookie file doesn't have any effect while the browser is running.
You could visit one Doubleclick-infested site and get one of their
cookies then go to another infested site in the same session.
A better method is to be able to selectively accept/send cookies from
certain sites while blocking them from others. As it happens
I've written a program that does that. See
http://www.lne.com/ericm/cookie_jar. It's still got some bugs
but it generally works ok. Note that you need access to
a unix shell and perl to run it.
It would be even better if browser writers added similar features to their
browsers. My program is a kludge.
> One of the scary things might be that though cookies can be made
> hard to forge, it's clearly impossible for cookie issuers to
> ensure the cookies aren't stolen or deliberately distributed. If
> a site uses a "secure" cookie as a means of identifying the web
> visitor, there's certainly some risk if it then allows access to
> sensitive information.
Servers in that position would encrypt the data sent in cookie, no?
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