Re: Java DES breaker?

More than one person writes:

> Vulis wrote:
> > "Mark M." <markm@voicenet.com> writes:
> > > compiles Java to a stand-alone executable.  Details at
> > > http://webhackers.cygnus.com/webhackers/projects/java.html .
> > It would be very foolish to touch any shit that comes out of Cygnus.
>
>      Why? (specifically, I am about to try using a GCC port to WinNT, and
> I would like to know _why_ you think their work is shit).

First, because it's King John "Lackbrain" Gilmore's company. :-)

Second, because they hire unqualified people (rather, people whose
qualifications have nothing to do with the job) and they've already
fucked up every project they've ever touched.

Third, because they steal from the people who originally developed the
free software by charging money for the non-existent "support".

I'm quite happy with MS VC++ for NT. I doubt that Cygnus can do a good job
porting gcc to NT. People much better than the assholes at Cygnus have not
done a great job porting gcc to OS/2. If I want gcc, I just run it on the
Linux box, or a Sun box.

Fuck Cygnus.

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Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
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Vulis wrote:
> More than one person writes:
> > Vulis wrote:
> > > It would be very foolish to touch any shit that comes out of Cygnus.
> >      Why? (specifically, I am about to try using a GCC port to WinNT, and
> > I would like to know _why_ you think their work is shit).

> First, because it's King John "Lackbrain" Gilmore's company. :-)

     That doesn't say anything about the quality of their work. 

> Second, because they hire unqualified people (rather, people whose
> qualifications have nothing to do with the job) and they've already
> fucked up every project they've ever touched.

     Given your statements about Gilmore, can you provide any specifics
about individuals lack of competence in a given area? 

> Third, because they steal from the people who originally developed the
> free software by charging money for the non-existent "support".

     How is this "stealing"? The GNU license explicitly (IIRC) allows
this, and it doesn't take anything _away_ from the developer. I don't 
see how it is stealing. 

> I'm quite happy with MS VC++ for NT. I doubt that Cygnus can do a good job

     Where can I download MS VC++ (Microsoft, now there is a company with a 
marvelous reputation for sterling products.) for the cost of my Internet 
connection? 

> porting gcc to NT. People much better than the assholes at Cygnus have not
> done a great job porting gcc to OS/2. If I want gcc, I just run it on the
> Linux box, or a Sun box.

     I already use Linux, and I need to learn NT, so I would like to have 
a compiler, and I can't afford one. It would be nice to be able to learn
one compiler that works under both platforms. I don't do enough programming
to be able to justify MS VC++, and I don't have piles of cash hanging around
waiting for me to throw them at Satan. 

> Fuck Cygnus.

     Fuck Shrinkwrapped software. 

Petro, Christopher C.
petro@suba.com <prefered for any non-list stuff>
snow@smoke.suba.com

> > > > It would be very foolish to touch any shit that comes out of Cygnus.
> > >      Why? (specifically, I am about to try using a GCC port to WinNT, and
> > > I would like to know _why_ you think their work is shit).
>
> > First, because it's King John "Lackbrain" Gilmore's company. :-)
>
>      That doesn't say anything about the quality of their work.

It does. John Gilmore is a proven liar. He has no credibility.

> > Second, because they hire unqualified people (rather, people whose
> > qualifications have nothing to do with the job) and they've already
> > fucked up every project they've ever touched.
>
>      Given your statements about Gilmore, can you provide any specifics
> about individuals lack of competence in a given area?

They lack competence in all areas except cocksucking.

> > Third, because they steal from the people who originally developed the
> > free software by charging money for the non-existent "support".
>
>      How is this "stealing"? The GNU license explicitly (IIRC) allows
> this, and it doesn't take anything _away_ from the developer. I don't
> see how it is stealing.

John Gilmore rips off software authors. I don't care what the copyleft says.
Gilmore is a crook.

> > I'm quite happy with MS VC++ for NT. I doubt that Cygnus can do a good job
>
>      Where can I download MS VC++ (Microsoft, now there is a company with a
> marvelous reputation for sterling products.) for the cost of my Internet
> connection?

Given your brazen disregard for the software authors, and general lack of
ethics, you probably have an illegal copy already.

Microsoft sucks. I've had plenty of terrible experience with them trying
to rip me off. John Gilmore is worse.

> > porting gcc to NT. People much better than the assholes at Cygnus have not
> > done a great job porting gcc to OS/2. If I want gcc, I just run it on the
> > Linux box, or a Sun box.
>
>      I already use Linux, and I need to learn NT, so I would like to have
> a compiler, and I can't afford one. It would be nice to be able to learn
> one compiler that works under both platforms. I don't do enough programming
> to be able to justify MS VC++, and I don't have piles of cash hanging around
> waiting for me to throw them at Satan.

If you don't do much programming, then you can a) use a DOS C compiler,
b) use Perl for NT (free from Microsoft; not that I like Perl), c) use
Visual Basic, d) byte the bullet and invest in the compiler from the same
company that wrote the OS. If you want to learn NT system APIs, graphics
APIs, etc, then you probably can't even call them from gcc reliably.

> > Fuck Cygnus.
>
>      Fuck Shrinkwrapped software.

Fuck John Gilmore.

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Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

At 6:39 PM -0800 12/13/96, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
>It does. John Gilmore is a proven liar. He has no credibility.

John will be a much later addition to my killfile than you.  This is
because everything he posts is interesting.  Much of what you post is
personal attack and, as such, uninteresting.  (N.B. aga is the only person
I send directly to the trash at present.)


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Bill Frantz <frantz@netcom.com> writes:

> At 6:39 PM -0800 12/13/96, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
> >It does. John Gilmore is a proven liar. He has no credibility.
>
> John will be a much later addition to my killfile than you.

John Gilmore (spit) is full of shit just like his boyfriend Timmy May (fart).

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Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

> Bill Frantz <frantz@netcom.com> writes:
> 
> > At 6:39 PM -0800 12/13/96, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
> > >It does. John Gilmore is a proven liar. He has no credibility.
> >
> > John will be a much later addition to my killfile than you.
> 
> John Gilmore (spit) is full of shit just like his boyfriend Timmy May (fart).

Vulis, I can't understand your need for these childish quips. They just make
you look idiotic. At least have some sense of your own dignity.

> 
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> 
> Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
> Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
>

Julian writes:

> > Bill Frantz <frantz@netcom.com> writes:
> >
> > > At 6:39 PM -0800 12/13/96, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
> > > >It does. John Gilmore is a proven liar. He has no credibility.
> > >
> > > John will be a much later addition to my killfile than you.
> >
> > John Gilmore (spit) is full of shit just like his boyfriend Timmy May (fart)
>
> Vulis, I can't understand your need for these childish quips. They just make
> you look idiotic. At least have some sense of your own dignity.

John Gilmore is a crook and a liar. He has no credibility and no dignity.

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Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps