Re: Codebreakers on the shelves!

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To: cypherpunks@toad.com
Date: Tue Dec 10 10:16:58 1996
>> Warning:  The book is $65.00 hardbound!  (It is also *NOT* a small
>> book. It is large.  About 2000 pages by my guess.
> 1181 actually, not including the table of contents and preface.

It's available in swiss bookstores for $49. I'm about to get one :)

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At 10:17 AM +0100 12/10/96, Remo Pini wrote:

>It's available in swiss bookstores for $49. I'm about to get one :)

I took a look at it a few days ago, and am disappointed.

As near as I can tell, from the comments by Kahn and from looking at it,
the new edition is _exactly_ the same as the 1967 edition, with the
exception of one additional chapter. The last chapter covers the Enigma
story in detail.

However, the public key cryptography revolution is covered in about two or
three pages (or at least this is my recollection). Brief mention is made of
Diffie, Hellman, etc., but nothing surprising or new.

So, it seems a better deal is to get one of the many used copies of the
original, for $20 or less, and then read any of the many good articles on
modern cryptography.

I'm hoping the new edition of Bamford is handled better.

--Tim May

Just say "No" to "Big Brother Inside"
We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed.
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I've been looking for a used copy for over a year so I was happy to find
the new edition! I *was* disappointed by the last chapter, althouh I know
that historians hate to make early judgements about which current events
are important.

"Timothy C. May" <tcmay@got.net> writes:
> As near as I can tell, from the comments by Kahn and from looking at it,
> the new edition is _exactly_ the same as the 1967 edition, with the
> exception of one additional chapter. The last chapter covers the Enigma
> story in detail.
>
> However, the public key cryptography revolution is covered in about two or
> three pages (or at least this is my recollection). Brief mention is made of
> Diffie, Hellman, etc., but nothing surprising or new.

The "cypher punks" mailing list isn't even mentioned, whines Timmy.

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Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

In message <v03007806aed2ec6f864a@[207.167.93.63]>, "Timothy C. May" writes:
>As near as I can tell, from the comments by Kahn and from looking at it,
>the new edition is _exactly_ the same as the 1967 edition, with the
>exception of one additional chapter. The last chapter covers the Enigma
>story in detail.

	Is it based on the abridged or unabridged edition?

>I'm hoping the new edition of Bamford is handled better.

	Any news as to a possible release date for that book?

	Derek

The events occuring after the finish of the original codebreakers 
(beginning the seventies, and including public key, Clipper ,etc) and 
covered lightly in the rewrite will be at the center of my book CRYPTO, 
which I am still finishing. Meanwhile, the re-release of Codebreakers 
is a firm reminder of Kahn's awesomeness.

Steven

On Tue, 10 Dec 1996, Derek Bell wrote:

> In message <v03007806aed2ec6f864a@[207.167.93.63]>, "Timothy C. May" writes:
> >As near as I can tell, from the comments by Kahn and from looking at it,
> >the new edition is _exactly_ the same as the 1967 edition, with the
> >exception of one additional chapter. The last chapter covers the Enigma
> >story in detail.
> 
> 	Is it based on the abridged or unabridged edition?
> 
> >I'm hoping the new edition of Bamford is handled better.
> 
> 	Any news as to a possible release date for that book?
> 
> 	Derek
>